Elven better than Dragonscale?

[Artrysa]

I've just "upgraded" to dragonscale armor after using elven for the longest time. Both are Legendary, both improved using a blacksmith elixir but t for some reason the dragonscale has a worse armor rating than the elven armor. Does dragonscale armor get better from the heavy armor smithing perks or something?

[Carl!!!!]

Do you have the smithing perk for elven, but not dragonscale, because that can make a difference. Also, are you for sure using dragonscale (the light armor) and not dragon plate (heavy)? Because if you're proficient in light armor and have invested perks into it, elven should also be better than dragon plate

[John]

Legendary rating means nothing, with subpar smithing equipment and no perks in smithing and a blacksmith's elixer you can get "legendary" quality at level 1. With a 170+ smithing potion, 100 smithing + all perks, ultimate smithing gear, book of sallow regents, notched pickaxe the quality will be like 5 times better yet the quality is still Legendary.

Your previous equipment simply has a better "legendary" rating.

[♥ Barney ♥]

Originally posted by Dresden:

Do you have the smithing perk for elven, but not dragonscale, because that can make a difference. Also, are you for sure using dragonscale (the light armor) and not dragon plate (heavy)? Because if you're proficient in light armor and have invested perks into it, elven should also be better than dragon plate

I suspect that's the problem. I'm guessing the OP has the perk for Elven smithing, but not for Dragon smithing. If so, the elven perk gives 2x better tempering and the Dragon smithing gives the default tempering.

[alexander_dougherty]

Pretty sure you need the perk to improve upto legendary, otherwise like the various Iron item you can only get upto flawless.
That said either one improved to legendary should be hitting the armour cap, unless you have a mod that uncaps the armour rating.

Not sure why the improved Dragonscale armour is inferior to Elven... I know some weapons are better at the previous tier, but not armour.

[John]

Originally posted by alexander_dougherty:

Pretty sure you need the perk to improve upto legendary, otherwise like the various Iron item you can only get upto flawless.
That said either one improved to legendary should be hitting the armour cap, unless you have a mod that uncaps the armour rating.

Not sure why the improved Dragonscale armour is inferior to Elven... I know some weapons are better at the previous tier, but not armour.

You don't need a perk to get up to legendary quality.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1874056669

Level 1 game, gaining experience was allowed, just not using it so no perks whatsoever.
-Level 100 smithing
-Daedric gloves 25% smithing
-Silver Blood Ring 15% smithing
-Armor with 14% smithing
-Amulet with 14% smithing
-Notched pickaxe for +5 Smithing skill
-Book of Sallow Regent 10% boost
-Blacksmith's elixir 50%

And this was allready overkill for getting "legendary" quality

[Artrysa]

It's scale, not bone. I do have the smithing perk for dragon gear, kinda had to since I was making it myself. And I made and improved both armor sets the exact same way. The only difference is that I improved the dragonscale armor when I had a higher smithing level. So by allmeans it should be better but the elven set gives me 100 more armor than the dragonscale.

[Tequila Lemon]

Have you tried equipping both sets when comparing rating?, iirc armor perk multipliers are applied only if you're wearing the armor, so if that's the case then equipping it might show a more accurate value; otherwise i have no idea

[Artrysa]

Yeah, that's not it. I still have no idea why the dragonscale is so much worse. Maybe I'll just make another set and see if it's the same.

[Arthur]

The total base armor rating for the elven gear is 58, while dragonscale is 82. There's definetely something wrong here. Either you have enchantments on the elven set that increase your rating or something, or you're using a mod that's somehow changing these values (intentionally or not). Or maybe its just a bug. If in doubt, try comparing the armor values from the forge list (and also with everything unequipped).

[Artrysa]

I do have fortify light armor, but it's on both sets. In the smithing menu the dragonscale is better than elven. Idk what's wrong. I made and improved it the exact same way, and they were enchanted on the same skill level aswell.

[Arthur]

What mods are you using?

[Tiss-varr]

I had the same problem

[Artrysa]

I'm only using the Unofficial Patch Legendary Edition.

[Arthur]

Even weirder. Sorry, I really don't know how to help you. Maybe remove all your smithing perks (via the Waking Dreams book in the Dragonborn dlc) and then use them again?