FNIS recommended load order

[Jjp7123]

So I downloaded FNIS and encountered the infamous "t pose" issue. I heard the one of the reasons it could have happened was because of me downloading a skeleton mod and having an improper load order. I used LOOT to organize my mods and I still encounter the issue as well as an error with FNIS PCEA2 not working. Can anyone recommend a load order for me?

[smr1957]

And you ran GenerateFNISforUsers with only the first 2 boxes checked? (Unless you have the specific mods, the other boxes should remain unchecked - some people mistakenly check the 3rd box because they have PCEA2 - not realising that this is only for the original PCEA mod, NOT the newer one.)

[smr1957]

BeardedDork, it is MO that Fores doesn't like - this from the sticky:

ATTENTION
I do not provide any support related to installation/use with Mod Organizer
Contrary to the MO sticky post FNIS DOESN'T work well with MO

To Jjp7123: Did you do all this (from FNIS description page):

"Installation and Execution

NOTE: It is GENERALLY and STRONGLY recommended, that you DO NOT INSTALL any of Steam, Skyrim, FNIS in folders that are protected by Windows UAC (User Account Control). These are "C:/Program Files (x86)" or "C:/Program Files" (or their localized correspondents, e.g. "C:/Programme (x86)"). Use root folders like "D:\Games". This way you can avoid serious protection issues, especially when using Mod Managers.

•Install FNIS Behavior V7_0
•Install Creature Pack V5_3 (optional, necessary for creature animation mods)
•Install FNIS Idle Spells V5_0_1 (optional, necessary for the spells)
•Activate the FNIS plugin (FNIS.esp)
•Install other FNIS dependant mods (see mod list below)
•If you install manually: Goto to your Skyrim Installation directory(for example C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/SteamApps/common/skyrim), and from there to Data/tools/GenerateFNIS_for_Users
•If you install manually: Start the FNIS generator GenerateFNISforUsers.exe AS ADMINISTRATOR (part of FNIS Behavior, and ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, or NOTHING works)
•If you use NMM: Install FNIS like any other mod
•If you use NMM: "Launch FNIS" from NMM's list of supported tools (right most drop-down button in the menu bar)
•If you use MO: Configure FNIS as executable (IMPORTANT - See one of the videos listed above, or read S.T.E.P. Project: Fores New Idles in Skyrim)
•Select necessary "Available Patches" (ONLY those you need!) from the bottom part of the generator window
•Click "Update FNIS Behavior"
•To check if new animation mods can cause problems: press the "Consistence Check" button
•If you have uninstalled any mod that uses the FNIS Creature Pack: press the "De-Install Creatures" button (and install the Creature Pack again, if necessary)


When you exit GenerateFNISforUsers.exe, you will be asked if a shortcut to the tool shall be created on your desktop.
Say "YES" when installing MANUALLY (STRONGLY recommended - you will need the generator quite frequently)
Say "Abort" when installing through NMM/MO

•For more detailed manual installation directions see "Installation (extended)"
•For Installation under Mod Organizer see the guide at S.T.E.P. Project: Fores New Idles in Skyrim. Or watch one of the movies above.
•If you are new with installing mods, check the Wiki Installing Mods Using NMM

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Problem shooting "Installation Problems"

When all NPCs move with the dreaded STIFF "half-T" POSE, then this is NO FNIS bug: YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG DURING INSTALLATION!
•Remove the desktop GenerateFNISforUsers.exe desktop short-cut
•Re-install FNIS Behavior EXACTLY as described in the "Installation"
•Fix all errors in the generator's text field, and give note to all warnings - Errors definitely WILL, Warnings CAN indicate causes of the "half-T" problem
•DON'T try to be smart moving things around
•DON'T call the generator from within 7Zip, WinRar, ..., and NOT from a folder that you arbitrarily find through the Windows Explorer Search function


If the problem persists AND you are using a LEGAL, STEAM based version of Skyrim then report your problem WITH SUFFICIENT and PRECISE information in the FNIS discussion thread. Always include the contents of the generator's text field (copy/paste) from your last run. And the way you installed FNIS (NMM,MO, manual). And avoid meaningless information like "glitches", "didn't work", "tried all different ways 3 times"."

[Jjp7123]

Okay, I think I found the issue. Apparently, it's a skeleton conflict. I downloaded both Maximum Skeleton and Maximum Skeleton Extended and their probably incompatible with each other. In the XPMSE tab of MCM, there's a message saying "You barely made it." Which probably means I downloaded it incorrectly.

[RaineyAllTheTime]

Publicado originalmente por smr1957:

BeardedDork, it is MO that Fores doesn't like

My bad I got that backwards. Still, point being it works fine with either, the recomendation is based on his preference, not whether or not it works. I've used both, and there is no difference between the two except MO installation is a little more complicated. If I where him I would probably have gotten tired of trying to explain to users how to make it go, and just recommended
NMM, because NMM mostly just works.

[RaineyAllTheTime]

Publicado originalmente por Jjp7123:

Okay, I think I found the issue. Apparently, it's a skeleton conflict. I downloaded both Maximum Skeleton and Maximum Skeleton Extended and their probably incompatible with each other. In the XPMSE tab of MCM, there's a message saying "You barely made it." Which probably means I downloaded it incorrectly.

They are incompatible, you just want the XPMSE.

[Uncle64]

Publicado originalmente por Jjp7123:

Okay, I think I found the issue. Apparently, it's a skeleton conflict. I downloaded both Maximum Skeleton and Maximum Skeleton Extended and their probably incompatible with each other. In the XPMSE tab of MCM, there's a message saying "You barely made it." Which probably means I downloaded it incorrectly.

That notice is stupid but it means that you got it right.

Use only one skeleton, the latest xpmse

Edit partial ninjed

[Jjp7123]

Okay, I deleted both XPMS and XPMSE and manually reinstall XPMSE. Wish me luck if it works.

[Uncle64]

You need to run FNIS again.

[Jjp7123]

Nope, the Issue still persists. Now XPMSE doesn't show in MCM. Must have put it in the wrong Folder. Or installed incorrectly.

[Tempting Fate]

Ok, I will cop to being an idiot where this is concerned. I'm getting the evil t-pose after just installing the Devious Followers Mod and usually when I've seen this I uninstall the mod and things go back to working, but NOT this time. GRRRR ...

I'm using Vortex as my mod manager which has always worked just fine for me. I understand from reading this thread that the problem is likely the load order. I can display it in Vortex, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to manipulate it, nor even how I can effectively list it other than on the screen.

I apologize for being in any way vague, I'm honestly not sure what information to include here.

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Zerham]

Publicado originalmente por jibrpg:

Ok, I will cop to being an idiot where this is concerned. I'm getting the evil t-pose after just installing the Devious Followers Mod and usually when I've seen this I uninstall the mod and things go back to working, but NOT this time. GRRRR ...

I'm using Vortex as my mod manager which has always worked just fine for me. I understand from reading this thread that the problem is likely the load order. I can display it in Vortex, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to manipulate it, nor even how I can effectively list it other than on the screen.

I apologize for being in any way vague, I'm honestly not sure what information to include here.

Thanks in advance for the help.

I'm not used to Vortex, but let me try to help anyways.

First of all, when you uninstall the conflictive mod and things still the same, did you run "Save tool"?

Maybe your save needs a bit of surgery :)

And, place your mod list as an spoiler below and then we can try to guess something. Is there an export button? Just like MO or NMM.

See you! ;)

[BEW ShadowWolf]

i use vortex, i found that even though it deploys and supposedly runs FNIS, i found that it doesnt. i had to find the FNIS launcher and run it myself to get it to fix the animations, also if you dont use player only animations PECA will throw errors also causing the possible t-pose. since you are running Devious followers mod, do you have all its requirements, such as DDa 3, DDx 4.3 and DDi 4.3. since there are animations that are part of it, that almost all DD related mods use. also you will want to run loot seperate of what vortex wants to sort your mods, vortex doesnt make the game very stable, where as running LOOT will sort them properly. hope this helps