Dragon Killing NPC

[Killroy]

A Elder Dragon Keeps Killing all the NPCs in Morthal.


What retarded ass Dev thought this was a good idea. Keep needing to reload over and over again trying to kill this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ before it kills every ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ merchant. Not to metion the fact the damn dragon AI is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ broken a keeps attacking everything BUT ME !

Anyone know of a mod, or a manner I can punch the dev responsible in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ face till they cry ?

[m0k]

I don't know of a dev punching mod, but there's this
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23906/?

And maybe this could cheer you up
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/55678/?

[jaspersauce]

~

click on corpse

type "resurrect"

[Uncle64]

Originally posted by phil swift:

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click on corpse

type "resurrect"

Bad idea.

[stcaFylnO]

I know Mr. Sheffield hates the console, but after my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ experience with Miraak just now (about to post it), all I can say is:

1) Read ahead for bugs and tips to avoid such issues. Many great sources online. Don't wait to research a bug, research now, before wasting 100s to 1000s of hours.

2) Don't let dragons start spawning until ready to dominate at town fights..
-Don't go to Dragon Rising, or if too late, progress to A Blade In the Dark, but don't finish.
-Only go to towns between 5AM and 9PM, or suffer the same fate with Dawnstar's *Dawnguard* vampires.

3) Reload a save, or start over. If all else fails, learn to use the console...
- "tai" turn off AI, freeze all actors, kill dragon, toggle AI back on with "tai" (no target used).
- "tcai", same pretty much, just combat AI only, the actors don't freeze (no target used).
- "tai" or "tcai" on dragon only, kill it, toggle, continue game (target specific dragon's RefID).
- More options with console exist; use the least invasive, save first, archive, revert as needed.
- Note: Console sucks at targeting. Verify target with benign command first (ie: showinventory)

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Console:

Research first, be methodical, save, archive, revert as needed. If uncomfortable, or unsure, ask first or research more. In the end, we learn more by doing and by fixing our mistakes.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Console
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Console_Commands_(Skyrim)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=700095820

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Bugs:
These links are a great starting point, but each item, actor, location, and quest pages have a lot more.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim)

[Killroy]

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

I know Mr. Sheffield hates the console, but after my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ experience with Miraak just now (about to post it), all I can say is:

1) Read ahead for bugs and tips to avoid such issues. Many great sources online. Don't wait to research a bug, research now, before wasting 100s to 1000s of hours.

2) Don't let dragons start spawning until ready to dominate at town fights..
-Don't go to Dragon Rising, or if too late, progress to A Blade In the Dark, but don't finish.
-Only go to towns between 5AM and 9PM, or suffer the same fate with Dawnstar's vampires.

3) Reload a save, or start over. If all else fails, learn to use the console...
- "tai" turn off AI, freeze all actors, kill dragon, toggle AI back on with "tai" (no target used).
- "tcai", same prety much, just combat AI only, the actors don't freeze (no target used).
- "tai" or "tcai" on dragon only, kill it, toggle, continue game (target specific dragon's RefID).
- More options with console exist; use the least invasive, save first, archive, revert as needed.
- Note: Console sucks at targeting. Verify target with benign command first (ie: showinventory)

---

Console:

Research first, be methodical, save, archive, revert as needed. If uncomfortable, or unsure, ask first or research more. In the end, we learn more by doing and by fixing our mistakes.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Console
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Console_Commands_(Skyrim)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=700095820

---

Bugs:
These links are a great starting point, but each item, actor, location, and quest pages have a lot more.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glitches
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Bugs_(Skyrim)

This is very useful thank you.

[Pharaoh_Phunk]

Not a dev, but its a punch

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/86653

[stcaFylnO]

np KIllroy, glad to help.

oops, read Dawnstar as Dawnguard in my previous post.

[Killroy]

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

np KIllroy, glad to help.

oops, read Dawnstar as Dawnguard in my previous post.

Don't have any of the DLC so not a problem.

[Bomb Bloke]

Personally I just take the ham-fisted approach of simply not allowing my precious NPCs to die.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23614/

Seriously though, resurrecting them after the fact may not entirely undo the effects of their death. If they were linked to quests, for example, then the game often has mechanisms in place for detecting that they died and making those quests inaccessible: it has no such mechanism for "unbreaking" them in the event of resurrection.

[stcaFylnO]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Personally I just take the ham-fisted approach of simply not allowing my precious NPCs to die.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23614/

Seriously though, resurrecting them after the fact may not entirely undo the effects of their death. If they were linked to quests, for example, then the game often has mechanisms in place for detecting that they died and making those quests inaccessible: it has no such mechanism for "unbreaking" them in the event of resurrection.

agreed, i tested this. Better to never let it happen

[stcaFylnO]

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Personally I just take the ham-fisted approach of simply not allowing my precious NPCs to die.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/23614/

Seriously though, resurrecting them after the fact may not entirely undo the effects of their death. If they were linked to quests, for example, then the game often has mechanisms in place for detecting that they died and making those quests inaccessible: it has no such mechanism for "unbreaking" them in the event of resurrection.

agreed, i tested this. Better to never let it happen

bah, me and my afterthoughts. If the NPC isn't special, like involved with quests, then it seemed to work out okay for me. However, such an NPC wasn't worth the effort anyway. For instance, maybe a beggar that you'd like to keep around would be okay.

In rare cases, "resurrect 1", &/or disable/enable cycles, have helped me fix a broken NPC, like they won't perform a required action to advance the quest, but that is rare: Miraak, Gelebor... I couldn't progress without such measures in ~vanilla Skyrim.

I've also made a few NPCs that were problematic into "essential", like Lod; but I can see where doing this could really break things too. Heck, just turning someone into a Thrall legally can break the game, if the chain of events requires them to be dead.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

I've also made a few NPCs that were problematic into "essential", like Lod; but I can see where doing this could really break things too. Heck, just turning someone into a Thrall legally can break the game, if the chain of events requires them to be dead.

I've played through the game twice using the particular tweak I linked (for making NPCs essential in bulk). No issues to speak of other than during in Blood on the Ice, which were fixed simply by toggling the tweak off and on again. It doesn't affect the vast majority of NPCs that're supposed to die at some point in the game.

[stcaFylnO]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

I've also made a few NPCs that were problematic into "essential", like Lod; but I can see where doing this could really break things too. Heck, just turning someone into a Thrall legally can break the game, if the chain of events requires them to be dead.

I've played through the game twice using the particular tweak I linked (for making NPCs essential in bulk). No issues to speak of other than during in Blood on the Ice, which were fixed simply by toggling the tweak off and on again. It doesn't affect the vast majority of NPCs that're supposed to die at some point in the game.

That looks like a sweet .bat; I plan to use that next character.
Thx for link BB.

[m0k]

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

I know Mr. Sheffield hates the console, but ...

I wouldn't say I hate it, but I would try to avoid mentioning it to people and only use as last resort. Casual use of it without any future thought does more bad than good. This game is bugged enough as it is.

[Killroy]

Originally posted by Mr. Sheffield:

Originally posted by stcaFylnO:

I know Mr. Sheffield hates the console, but ...

I wouldn't say I hate it, but I would try to avoid mentioning it to people and only use as last resort. Casual use of it without any future thought does more bad than good. This game is bugged enough as it is.

Have to agree. But to be honest rather use a quick console command than download a DLC.