Skyrim keeps crashing

[Dragons Wish]

I've just about had it with skyrim, i love the game to death and i just finished adding some mods but i just can't get skyrim to hold itself together. Particularly i started noticing it whenever i try to do the quest for the DB where you have to murder vittoria. As i'm running down to the entrance it starts lagging a bit i just shrug it off. It was when i tried to open the map, skyrim just shuts off completely and returns me to desktop. I tried again, this time i tapped T for the wait just to make sure i wasn't being pursued before attempting to fast travel, it even shut off when i opened Wait. There's nothing wrong with my laptop, it has perfect memory space for Toshiba. It's just the game itself. It's not just during that quest, i think the game itself is bugged, it just keeps crashing.

My Load Order:
Dawnguard.sm
Hearthfires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch
Falskaar.esm
SkyTEST
Apachi Divine Elegance store
Solstheim Climate Overhaul
FNIS.esp
FNISPCEA2.esp
XPMSE.esp
Palaces Castles Enhanced
HjerimTNF - Hearthfire
True Skyrim
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul
Real Wildlife Skyrim.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
Birds.esp
The Dark Brotherhood Resurrection:Part 1
MoonandStar_MAS.esp
Towns and Villages Enhanced:Morthal
Lighthowler's Witch Insurance
Dawnstar Sanctuary Overhaul
Nightingale Hall & Karliah as Follower
Towns & Villages Enhanced:Villages
Clockwork.esp
Zion's Khajiit Guild
Elsweyr Embassy Dawnguard
Further Dark Dungeons ENB.esp
Inigo.esp
TKAA.esp (The kids are alright mod)
Static Mesh Improvement Mod
Complete Pack.esp
More Stables
Build Your Own Home
Tinvaak-Talking With Dragons.esp
Immersive Horses.esp
Assassins Sanctuary.esp
Spend Dragon Souls For Perks
RabbitsOfSkyrim.esp
Dark Brotherhood Members
Hearthfire Enhanced
CatsofSkyrim.esp
Towns and Villages Enhanced:Riften
Jo'Bengal Khajiit Follower with Player Home
Towns and Villages Enhanced:Winterhold
Horse Armors
KS_Hairdos Lite
[VoidCraft] Housecarls
Caves of the Reach
Hearthfire Houses Fix:Lakeview Manor
Simple Divorce
Filthy Rich Merchants
DogsofSkyrim.esp
Kitty'eh's Armored Dogs&Wolves
FNISspells.esp
Astaroth Horns-AllInOne.esp
Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp
Stronger Daggers Mod
Additional Music Part One
Additional Music Part Two
Enhanced Blood Textures 3.6b
Chewiemuse's Dense Grass
Moonpath HD Texture Pack
Quest:No Stone Unturned - Quest Markers
Real Mountains
Real Companions - Journeymen
Schwertleite Set
Towns and Villages Enhanced:Falkreath
Brevi_Moonlight Tales
naturalisticwerewolf.esp
LV_TeddyBear.esp
Moonpath To Elsweyr
Immersive Horses - Hearthfire Patch.esp
Animallica.esp
The Paarthurnax Ultimatum.esp
dD - Realistic Rag Doll Force - Realistic.esp
Beards
Improved Interior Lighting (For Realistic Lighting Mods)
Pure Waters
Thanatos Dragon
Animallica - Real Wildlife Loot
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
WrathofNature:The Path of the Druid
Kill Moves - No Blur
Shadowmourne - Johnskyrim.esp
BlackSacramentDBReplacer.esp
Faction Crossbows.esp
HDTTailsEquipable.esp
SkyUI
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
Merta Assassin Tattoos.esp
Merta Assassin Armor.esp
Celes Nightingale Armor.esp
Eyes of Aber.esp
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
12FemaleBrows.esp
RevampedExteriorFog.esp
ENB Snow FX

Also i have a minor problem with the NPCs, i finished installing body mods for both male and female. So for some reason there's some naked npcs walking about, including the full khajiit caravan crews. I ignore it but if there's a way to fix it let me know please, thanks.

[Dragons Wish]

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[conatushawk]

Skyrim is bugged. USLEP, which you have, fixes many of them. Mods add many new issues that will take some work on your part to get playing nice together. Specs on your computer and operating system might help or encourage someone to help you. You don't mention using LOOT but the description of your problem indicates you used something. You reading and trying some of the guides available here under guides will help.

[Dragons Wish]

I tried and i did attempt to use loot but i don't really understand it, it did help me with a mod i noticed that was incompatible with hearthfire but i don't think that single mod would completely shut down skyrim. I understand there are some bugs, i also get an skse warning for a memory plugin after i installed Crash fix from nexus right on startup but i'm not sure if i should be concerned of that.

[Draufen]

wtf, are you serious with so many plugins? i d think that would explain everything

[Dragons Wish]

My laptop is very well capable of handling the mods.

[Jaguar D Saul]

Originally posted by conatushawk:

Skyrim is bugged. USLEP, which you have, fixes many of them. Mods add many new issues that will take some work on your part to get playing nice together. Specs on your computer and operating system might help or encourage someone to help you. You don't mention using LOOT but the description of your problem indicates you used something. You reading and trying some of the guides available here under guides will help.

According to Aurthmoor. USLEEP is a BALANCE CHANGING PATCH. It doesn't actually fix many game breaking bugs. Because that's not it's scope.

There is a Unoffical Modder's patch. Which is very good. Also find the mods; "Crash fixes" and a mod called "Bug fixes."

IN ADDITION. INSTALLING ENB IS MANDITORY FOR ALL USERS EVEN NON MODDED GAMES. ESPECIALLY FOR SKYRIM 32 BIT. Check the S.T.E.P. Wiki for instructions, or Gamer Poets youtube video tutorials.

Looking over your load order. Nothing seems like it should cause a crash due to a missing master. Nor are you anywhere near the 255 ESP limit.

Do you use a mod manager such as LOOT, MOD ORGANIZER, WRYBASH, SMASH, TES EDIT, or NEXUS MOD MANAGER?

[Jaguar D Saul]

I will post my load order. Maybe you can see something in there that will help. Usually CTD's on launch are due to a missing master. Ensure that you are not missing dependancies of mods.

Such as, Frostfall requires Campfire. If Frostfall is installed but Campfire is not, you will likely CTD on boot.

For exampe. With frostfall your load order would look like this;

Skyrim.esm
DLC
DLC
DLC
USLEEP.esm
Campfire.esm
Campfire.esp
Frostfall.esp

The order of manual install is important, and for practical puropses manual installs are not stable and not generally reccomended. Again, I reccomend following the S.T.E.P Wiki installation instructions, if you are having issues with a new installation.

If this is an old installation that worked last week. You messed with something in the load order, or you are subscribed to workshop mods directly and one may have been removed. Leading to instability.

This is how my load order looks which is stable.*

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
[JmV]LTTF.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Modders Patch.esp
EFFCore.esm
SexLab.esm
Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm
SexLabAroused.esm
ZaZAnimationPack.esm
Devious Devices - Assets.esm
Devious Devices - Integration.esm
Devious Devices - Expansion.esm
DeviousFramework.esm
dcc-soulgem-oven-000.esm
paradise_halls.esm
Heretical Resources.esm
ZazExtensionPack.esm
hdtHighHeel.esm
Amputator.esm
WM Flora Fixes.esp
EagleEyePerk.esm
notice board.esp
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
Cutting Room Floor.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SkyUI.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
UIExtensions.esp
AddItemMenu2.esp
EFFDialogue.esp
SOSRaceMenu.esp
XPMSE.esp
SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp
SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp
Devious Devices - Equip.esp
SexLab TDF Aggressive Prostitution.esp
TDF_AP_IndHookersPlug_In.esp
pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-DDx-patch.esp
pahe-DeviousDevices-addon-patch.esp
SerialStrip.esp
SerialStripper.esp
zaz-craft.esp
SexLabMatchMaker.esp
The Eloquent Reader.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
AK- Placeable Statics.esp
AK- Placeable Statics - Hearthfire.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
paradise_halls_SLExtension.esp
Slavewaymanor.esm.esp
Thieves Guild Redone.esp
[JmV]LTTF.esp
Prettier Bandits.esp
Forgotten DungeonsAll.esp
RiftenThiefEdition.esp
MoonAndStar_MAS.esp
ConductDovachoir.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
Imperious - Races of Skyrim.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
LocalizedGuildJobs.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
BFT Ships and Carriages.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrim.esp
Skippy's Book Overhaul.esp
Darkwater Crossing.esp
QaxeWinterholdRebuild.esp
buildablehouse.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
PAH_HomeSweetHome.esp
dcc-dm2.esp
pahe-tdf-patch.esp
PAH_AndYouGetASlave.esp
NASB(After).esp
PathOfSorcery.esp
High Level Enemies.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
Schlongs of Skyrim.esp
WeaponsArmorFixes_ImmersiveWeapons_Patch.esp
Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
Path of Sorcery - J'zargo Dialogue Fix.esp
ElementalArrows.esp
NerniesThiefPack.esp
LFox Better Thieves Guild Practice Locks.esp
Realistic AI Detection - Medium Interior, Medium Exterior.esp
BloodmoonRising.esp
BlackreachOverhaul.esp
ThievesGuildReq_LocalizedGuildJobs_Patch.esp
war_specialized_weapons_sp0.esp
LPBards.esp
thane weapons improved.esp
Shor's Stone.esp
Skooming Skyrim by BigBizkit.esp
Ivarstead.esp
Devious Deviants.esp
TradeRoutes.esp
TradeBarter.esp
Helarchen Creek.esp
Whistling Mine.esp
Kynesgrove.esp
Storefront.esp
Karthwasten.esp
Soljund's Sinkhole.esp
SOS - Shop.esp
paradise_halls_fellglow_slave_camp.esp
SpeechTree.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative to Clairvoyance Spell puzzle.esp
No_stretching.esp
SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp
SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp
Insignificant Object Remover.esp
FISS.esp
TakeNotes.esp
Realistic crime report radius.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
StaffVariety.esp
Better Artifacts.esp
CMWoodenBows.esp
PrvtIRoyalArmory.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
The Paarthurnax Ultimatum.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
AK- Cowl of the Grey Fox.esp
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
DarkStandalone.esp
RM_Barbarian.esp
Strap.esp
Vampiric Knight.esp
Gatti12Jewelry.esp
Gatti14Yumiko.esp
SeraphineHuntedArmor.esp
ScaledBikini.esp
Daedric Extra Armor.esp
Dovahkiin Mercenary Armor and Weapons CBBE.esp
Sovngarde Steel Armor and Weapons.esp
Merta Black Rose Armor.esp
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
WildHuntress.esp
Cassandra Frost Witch.esp
Osare HotPants.esp
BeadsBikini-MTM.esp
selobl_DarkLillith.esp
Forsworn-MTM.esp
Unique Booze Bottles Alternate Names Version.esp
prettypotions.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
SlaveTats.esp
SOS - B3lisario UNP Addon.esp
SOS - Leito Addon.esp
SOS - ERF Equipable Horse Penis.esp
SOS - ERF Horse Penis Addon.esp
SOS Female Schlongifier (No Schlong Addon by Erundil).esp
SOSRaceMenuRotation.esp
SLAnimLoader.esp
SLALAnimObj.esp
Giants.esp
CharredSkeeverReplacer.esp
DIVERSITY.esp
HireServants.esp
KS Hairdo's.esp
HUE_VampireEyesFix.esp
more plants all extra.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
AtronachCrossingDLC.esp
CobbPositioner.esp
AK- Buyable Paintings and Pictures.esp
stonhenge + hilltops.esp
itsatrap!.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
UniqueBows.esp
Library of the Arcane.esp
paradise_halls_farengars_study.esp
Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp
BigBizkit's GREED.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Dwarvenbikini.esp
BlackSacramentArmor.esp
notice board - dragonborn patch.esp
PP_WindcallerPass.esp
Ish's Souls to Perks.esp
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp
Apocalypse - More Apocalypse.esp
PoS More Apocalypse Patch.esp
Gray Fox Cowl - Alternative Start.esp
Inquisitor Set.esp
Hell Sword.esp
Elewin Pumps 2.esp
Wolfbikini.esp
LustmordVampireArmor.esp
AtronachCrossing.esp
Painting In Skyrim.esp
Civil War Cleanup.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
cuteLydia.esp
ChMjoll.esp
ChUthgerd.esp
DJQ_RayyaReplacer.esp
Aranea_Ienith_2.0.esp
High Level Enemies - Dawnguard.esp
High Level Enemies - Dragonborn.esp
High Level Enemies - Raised Ability Caps.esp
UltimateDragons.esp
HearthFireHomesNoReset.esp
Modern Brawl Bug Fix.esp
Tame Beast.esp
Deathhound+Gargoyle.esp
FNIS.esp
FNISspells.esp
ContinueGameNoCrash.esp
JaxonzDiagnostics.esp
SL01AmuletsSkyrimDGDB_Outfit_CCOR.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
ASIS-Dependency.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
ASIS.esp


As you can see. Some mods depend on other mods. Sexlab is a requirement for many of the mods that I run. So it is higher up on the list than all the others. Generally the mods that need to be highest are the mods that change the most. I have mods organized in a set of categories.

1. At the top are all framework mods.
   
2. Below that are all mods that require the higher mods to run, such as SOS needing sexlab
   
3. The next biggest type of mod is additions and modifications to core gameplay such as better vampires or new/altered skill trees.
   
4. Next I add bug fixes.
   
5. Then Animations such as new attacks.
   
6. Next quests, going from largest content additions to smallest.
   
7. Now cities and locations such as falskaar or wyrms tooth
   
8. Next weapons
   
9. And clothing
   
10. Now texture replacers. Such as new potion looks, and female body replacers
    
11. HERE is where you put compatibility patches. And SPECIFIC MODS that NEED to be very low in the list. Such as Dual Sheath Redux or Live Another Life.
    
12. Finally, this is where you put SKYPROC mods.
    
13. And here goes the BASH patch, which modifies all leveled lists.
    
14. And lastly here goes your SKYPROC patches, which integrate the changes those mods make.
    
15. And this is where you put your last mods. Such as FNIS output. And some MCM options that get spat out.

You will notice that the list I provided dosen't exactly follow the outline I have sugguested. Generally any load order will not. Because when you have everything set. You run LOOT to check your load order against a database of all known compatibilites. SOMETIMES IT WILL MOVE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. As the mod user, you will have to test this yourself, and use your own judgment. But LOOT is very very robust, and often will solve all problems for you by shifting some things around. It may tell you about ITM records, and Dirty Edits. These can usually be ignored. Unless you understand what those are.

[Jaguar D Saul]

Finally. I will address the last most likely issue you are having with your game. And feel free to ask questions. Because I will provide support to the best of my ability.

If you added or removed a mod, mid save. The traditional wisdom is that THIS WILL BREAK YOUR SAVE. 100% OF THE TIME. MAYBE INSTANTLY MAYBE IN AN HOUR MAYBE IN 100 HOURS. OR MAYBE NEVER. It's never ever safe to install or remove mods mid game. Ever.

The ONLY exceptions are mods such as;

1. Mods that replace the look of a steel sword.
   
2. Mods that make men or women naked, instead of wearing rags.
   
3. Mods that change grass into purple grass, or change the look of buildings.
   
4. Any mod that only changes the look of ingame assets.

All other mods add math to the game. Math that you and I never see, and dosen't concern us. Unless we open the console and tell the game to add gold to our inventory, or spawn an NPC.

Markarth is NOTORIOUS for killing frame rate. It's poorly optimized, and can quickly eat all the VRAM the game can use. If you do not use a mod organizer. It may be best to change all settings to their lowest values in the game launcher. And then load up the save that is crashing. If it continues to crash, it's not an issue with memmory. It's a mod causing instability.

There are three ways to deal with this.

1. Disable all mods, and check if the game still crashes. Which may not be a reliable method.
   
2. Disable all mods, and enable them one after another until your game crashes. That mod that crashes the game is either missing a master. Or it is conflicting with another mod. Possibly corrupted, but that is unlikely.
   
3. Scrap the entire character. Run a new game with all the mods, and console command yourself outside of the city. Enter, and see if it crashes. If no. Your save may not be salvagable.

Modding Skyrim is extremely complicated at a glance. But there are tonnes of community resources avaliable. And the act of testing and modding itself is quite enjoyable for many. Most solutions can be arrived at with more reading, checking your notes, and logical thinking. Again. I will attept to provide guidence as I am able.

[smr1957]

"According to Aurthmoor. USLEEP is a BALANCE CHANGING PATCH. It doesn't actually fix many game breaking bugs. Because that's not it's scope. "

This is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The main purpose of USLEEP and the Unofficial patches IS to fix bugs. Anything that changes balance or appearance IS NOT included unless it is or can be categorized as a bug.

This, from USLEEP's description page:
"A comprehensive bugfixing mod for The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Legendary Edition. The goal of the Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch (aka USLEEP) is to eventually fix every bug with Skyrim and its 3 DLCs not officially resolved by the developers to the limits of the Creation Kit and community-developed tools, in one easy-to-install package."

A full list of bugs fixed can be found here:
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch: Version History - https://www.afkmods.com/Unofficial%20Skyrim%20Legendary%20Edition%20Patch%20Version%20History.html

As to why you should install the Unofficial patches, Nazenn said it best in his post (old but still valid today):
New Players : You must install the Unofficial Skyrim Patches by Nazenn - http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/613956964579064476/

[smr1957]

As to Kage Ookami - apologies for not replying to your question and going off topic.
Read the pinned topic:
Player spreadsheet - Player and Modding Resources by Ilja http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/594821545176386165/
VERY IMPORTANT if you wish to successfully mod your game

Has information regarding all the tools you need to properly mod your game, as well as important links to other essential topics

[Dragons Wish]

Thank you all, i managed to fix the crashing part. When i use the wait timer it usually takes a minute to actually load. I will have to look into this, and as for the naked people i will likely just leave that alone. I'm not skilled in modding and i don't want to mess anything up, i moved the mods around a little and took off some things and also put a patch on my palaces and cities enhanced mod just in case. I will bookmark this just in case i run into anymore problems. I appreciate it, thanks.

[Jaguar D Saul]

Originally posted by smr1957:

"According to Aurthmoor. USLEEP is a BALANCE CHANGING PATCH. It doesn't actually fix many game breaking bugs. Because that's not it's scope. "

The main purpose of USLEEP and the Unofficial patches IS to fix bugs. Anything that changes balance or appearance IS NOT included unless it is or can be categorized as a bug.

Nope. Aurthmoor has themselves debunked this myth. Granted, I still think USLEEP is absolutely mandatory. But it's not actually a patch that fixes game engine bugs.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by CongenialVirus:

Originally posted by smr1957:

"According to Aurthmoor. USLEEP is a BALANCE CHANGING PATCH. It doesn't actually fix many game breaking bugs. Because that's not it's scope. "

The main purpose of USLEEP and the Unofficial patches IS to fix bugs. Anything that changes balance or appearance IS NOT included unless it is or can be categorized as a bug.

Nope. Aurthmoor has themselves debunked this myth. Granted, I still think USLEEP is absolutely mandatory. But it's not actually a patch that fixes game engine bugs.

No, he hasn't. And if you have information that says otherwise, then cite the reference.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Kage Ookami:

Thank you all, i managed to fix the crashing part. When i use the wait timer it usually takes a minute to actually load. I will have to look into this, and as for the naked people i will likely just leave that alone. I'm not skilled in modding and i don't want to mess anything up, i moved the mods around a little and took off some things and also put a patch on my palaces and cities enhanced mod just in case. I will bookmark this just in case i run into anymore problems. I appreciate it, thanks.

Glad you got it fixed. But can't emphasize enough the importance of reading the pinned topic I linked.

[smr1957]

Also:

Helgen Reborn needs to remain unchecked until after the opening is complete and the bandits have taken over the town or things will be totally messed up.

XPMSE should come after Realistic Ragdolls (in fact, you should place it near the bottom of your load order). NOTHING should overwrite XPSME.

You also have conflicting wildlife mods and overlapping town and city mods.

You need to download and use: LOOT - https://loot.github.io/
See: Load order and resource priority basics by Ilja - http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681419356033/ for info on how to use.

As to posting load order, just click on the 3 verticle dots in the upper right corner of LOOT screen, click on copy load order from the drop-down menu, and then paste.

Loot will highlight in red any mod that is missing a master. It will indicate this as an error at the top.

As regards LOOT telling you to clean mods other than the Masters (Update.esm, Dawnguard.esm, Hearthfires.esm, Dragronborn.esm), DO NOT clean ITMs (unless the mod author or a reliable forum regular says otherwise) as LOOT does not pick up whether these edits (ITMs) are necessary or not, and some mods require them to run correctly. Do, however, clean deleted references, as these may cause problems in your game.

As to cleaning the Masters, see:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=700525972