Is Tiber Septim(Talos) racist?

[Zack N. Disbawls]

He founded the Empire(so any other races can join the legion and defend the Empire) but in the other hand he's born from a Nord culture.

[Cerberus Shepard]

considering everyone in skyrim is a racist it really does not matter

[R.A.T. Army *MST3K*]

Originally posted by Cereberus Shepard:

considering everyone in skyrim is a racist it really does not matter

I think this explains today well.

[Saphayla]

Talos is Tiber Septim, not Martin Septim.

He most likely was racist, just like most Nords.

[76561198034396398]

Filthy Nord

[Rüdiger J Simpson]

"must be racist, because [insert race]" LOL

[naru]

Members of most of the races in this game have some sort of racism. The ones who doesn't show are only because they are too rare in Skyrim or does not have the culture of their homeland in them.
Altmer: ELVEN SUPREMACY IS THE ONLY TRUTH!
Imperial: You ALL should jumps as WE, the Empire tells you to do so, BECAUSE the EMPEROR of OUR Empire is your one true rightful ruler. So lick my boot <insert race>.
Nord: FACKING ELVES MESSING UP EVERYTHING AND SPINELESS IMPERIALS TELLING US WHAT TO DESPITE THEIR EMPEROR SURRENDERED LIKE A LITTLE ♥♥♥♥♥ TO THE GENOCIDAL ELVES WITH THE FULL F*CKING FORCE OF HAMMERFELL AND SKYRIM AT HIS DISPOSAL TO DEMOLISH THE ALREADY DISARMED THALMOR!!!!
Dunmer: F4CK YOU ALL!!!
Breton: GET OFF MY TURF F4CKING EVERYONE!!!!


The Nords hating the elves comes from elves completely destroying Saarthal and then the constant warring with elves, after the Oblivion Crisis superstitions against magic that elves are good at, after the Great War the Emperor licking the Thalmor's ass after a very ridiculous total surrender and to top it off they banned the worship of Talos, the deity mainly worshipped by the Nord culture.

Talos himself was such a good ruler that the love of the people granted him the Chim, which ascended him to godhood. A feat obviously impossible for some gutless poser like Ulfric, and a failure like Titus Mede II.

[gnewna]

Originally posted by naru:

Talos himself was such a good ruler that the love of the people granted him the Chim, which ascended him to godhood.

... Not sure that's quite right.

[Solomon Hawk]

Tiber Septim was "supposedly" born. Yet, like us he was true Dragonborn, so his origins are actually a mystery, the same as ours.
We show up in history when Alduin drops out of the time stream and he ends up saving us from the headsman's axe. Because he knows who we are.
His decendant bloodline could not carry the gift of the dragonborn and we bear that witness within ourselves being able to learn dragon shouts at will and absorb a slain dragon's power. The only thing his bloodline could do, was keep the Dragon Fires lit and you know what happened when his bloodline was ended: The Oblivion Crisis.

When our time comes, we would most likely leave the same way he did and in some twisted way later on be venerated as having ascended to Godhood as he was.
If you're anything else but a Nord who is a dragonborn, you can imagine how well that will sit with them. For that matter, how well it will sit with the other races.
But the mysterious truth is, he only went back to where his origin began. That would have to be Akatosh, the god of time.

When I set out to kill an Emperor, I let that heathen know who is actually doing the killing.
Not someone from the Dark Brotherhood with a dagger to his back.
But as a true dragonborn who can use the shout as it was gifted, and turn him into ash as a clear message to everyone .. "The Dragonborn" has returned.

It's time to tighten up your sphincters.

[gnewna]

Originally posted by Vahlok:

His decendant bloodline could not carry the gift of the dragonborn and we bear that witness within ourselves being able to learn dragon shouts at will and absorb a slain dragon's power. The only thing his bloodline could do, was keep the Dragon Fires lit and you know what happened when his bloodline was ended: The Oblivion Crisis.

I mean... no, his bloodline ended at the finish of the Oblivion Crisis, with Martin Septim pretty much becoming Akatosh incarnate (more or less, perhaps more an extension of Akatosh into Mundus) for a brief time, in order to defeat Mehrunes Dagon. The Oblivion Crisis was able to happen because the Dragon Fires could not be kept lit because, basically, they killed all the known Septims and the one who survived couldn't exactly be marched in to the Imperial City because... well because otherwise there would be no plot, I suppose. (But also because they couldn't risk something happening to him with rampant Dagon stuff going on.)

We don't *know* if Septim's descendants were Dovahkiin-type Dragonborn, because, well, there weren't really a whole lot of dragons around at the time for them to slay (I'm not entirely sure it's even known if Tiber Septim himself ever actually absorbed a dragon soul, the only reference I can remember to him being around a dragon is one who, essentially, he made serve him.) I doubt any of them ever encountered a Word Wall or any other means of learning Dragon Shouts beyond decades of devoted study and meditation, I shouldn't think the descendents of Tiber Septim/his brother (IIRC after a point the succession became indirect) were exactly able to go off to High Hrothgar for a few years, given the whole 'being emperors' thing.

[Solomon Hawk]

If I remember correctly, the Oblivion Crisis began when the dragonfire could not be lit.
Thanks to Manimarco (The King of Worms).
Yes, the Septim bloodline did end with Martin Septim and the end of the Oblivion Crisis.

[gnewna]

Yes, they couldn't light the Dragonfire because all the known Septims were dead, and the Amulet of Kings was stolen while the Champion was collecting Martin from Kvatch (forgot that bit). So, the Oblivion Crisis was not caused (or rather... able to occur) by the end of the Septim line, but by the end of the known line *and* by the theft of the Amulet of Kings and presumable attempt to kill off the secret bastard son of Uriel (I doubt it's coincidence Kvatch was the first Gate, but I'd guess Dagon/Camoran didn't know exactly WHO the hidden Septim was, just that there was one there.

(Oh, and Mannimarco was the Mage Guild questline, you're thinking of Mankar Camoran who sent the Mythic Dawn assassins to slaughter the official Septims, took the Amulet of Kings, etc.)

[Haunt Fox]

Skyrim belongs to the Nords, it's their home. It's up to them if they want anyone there or not. They could have told the Dunmer to just keep on walking, instead of letting any of them settle in Windhelm, you know .. and if it's so horrible there, well, maybe they should get their shoes on and get going, you know, instead of just sitting and whining about how unfriendly their unwilling hosts are.

As far as the Khajiit go, I would assume they and the Argonians are used to being treated like dirt from the ape-people types (men and elves) for not being apey-primatey looking enough (the same sort of trash Rocket Raccoon has to deal with) .... they seem to be more stoic about their lot, because they know they're just there to make money and shove off eventually anyway, so it doesn't matter much how they're treated, as long as they get the Septims.

[Solomon Hawk]

I did some reading on this and found myself in some error.
Manimarco was a servant of Molag Bal who conspired to mirge Nirn and Oblivion.

Camoran as you pointed out correctly served Merunes Dagon through the Mythic Dawn and is resposible for the assasinations of the Septims except Martin. Dagon wanted to establish a kingdom on Nirn.

[ralphtobybob]

Originally posted by isengrim:

Skyrim belongs to the Nords, it's their home. It's up to them if they want anyone there or not. They could have told the Dunmer to just keep on walking, instead of letting any of them settle in Windhelm, you know .. and if it's so horrible there, well, maybe they should get their shoes on and get going, you know, instead of just sitting and whining about how unfriendly their unwilling hosts are.

As far as the Khajiit go, I would assume they and the Argonians are used to being treated like dirt from the ape-people types (men and elves) for not being apey-primatey looking enough (the same sort of trash Rocket Raccoon has to deal with) .... they seem to be more stoic about their lot, because they know they're just there to make money and shove off eventually anyway, so it doesn't matter much how they're treated, as long as they get the Septims.

The Nords came from Atmora/Altmora. They were not the first humans in Skyrim, there were others, who also came from Atmora/Altmora.. Tamriel including Skyrim was inhabited by the elves.

The Bretons did get along with the elves and intermarried with them. Both of them were attacked by the Nords when they invaded Cyrodiil.

The reality is that Skryim belongs to the Nords, the Foresworn, bandits and others, because the Nords have lost control of Skyrim.

[Haunt Fox]

Originally posted by ralphtobybob:

Originally posted by isengrim:

Skyrim belongs to the Nords, it's their home. It's up to them if they want anyone there or not. They could have told the Dunmer to just keep on walking, instead of letting any of them settle in Windhelm, you know .. and if it's so horrible there, well, maybe they should get their shoes on and get going, you know, instead of just sitting and whining about how unfriendly their unwilling hosts are.

As far as the Khajiit go, I would assume they and the Argonians are used to being treated like dirt from the ape-people types (men and elves) for not being apey-primatey looking enough (the same sort of trash Rocket Raccoon has to deal with) .... they seem to be more stoic about their lot, because they know they're just there to make money and shove off eventually anyway, so it doesn't matter much how they're treated, as long as they get the Septims.

The Nords came from Atmora/Altmora. They were not the first humans in Skyrim, there were others, who also came from Atmora/Altmora.. Tamriel including Skyrim was inhabited by the elves.

The Bretons did get along with the elves and intermarried with them. Both of them were attacked by the Nords when they invaded Cyrodiil.

The reality is that Skryim belongs to the Nords, the Foresworn, bandits and others, because the Nords have lost control of Skyrim.

Then it`s up to Nords to regain that control.

Shades of modern Germany, where modern Germans need to regain social and political control from traitorous elites.


We won`t know what the ultimate outcome of the Civil war is until ES6 comes out, IF it deigns to mention anything (it probably will) but the death of Ulfric could inflame Skyrim`s Nords into a more sympathetic mood, especially if the Imperials mess up further, and the Thalmor continue to be obvious diiiks. I guess it depends on where and when the next game will be set.