What is Miraak's beef with the Dragonborn?

[THEOTHERJESTER]

So a friend and I were discussing our favorite characters from TES and Miraak was brought up. Now we might be forgetting something that is explained in the story at some point but something we can't figure out about him is why he had such an issue with the Dragonborn. Sure Miraak is arrogant as hell but I don't take him as an idiot. Surely he would have thought to use the combined strength of himself and the Dragonborn to lay the smack down on Hermaeus Mora.

At any point in the story is Miraak given a proper motivation to try and kill off the Dragonborn or is the whole "you aren't a true Dragonborn" the only explaination given.

[ELF EYES]

he got scamed buy a daedric lord and you did not and he cant get free and rule the world but trying

[Dariken]

Maybe he wants to be the only one or he considers TLD to be a threat I mean we do go there to stop him after all.

[THEOTHERJESTER]

Originally posted by Dariken:

Maybe he wants to be the only one or he considers TLD to be a threat I mean we do go there to stop him after all.

Yeah but the only reason we go there to stop him is that he sent people after TLD in the first place.

Originally posted by crazeygirl101:

he got scamed buy a daedric lord and you did not and he cant get free and rule the world but trying

Which makes you think that he'd want to use the dragonborn to his own ends to get revenge on Mora. Is it stated that he specifically wants to rule the world? As far as I remember it is only said that he wants to return to Solstheim. But given the character we can assume that he wants to take it back.

[DeadlyDanDaMan]

I think he just feels threatened by there being another Dragonborn around, since he knows that's the only person who can stop him. He wants to be the only one. He's a power hungry egomaniac, so trying to figure out the motives of someone like that isn't easy. People like that do strange things for strange reasons.

[Karmo]

Originally posted by Dariken:

Maybe he wants to be the only one or he considers TLD to be a threat I mean we do go there to stop him after all.

yeah,we go there to stop him from sending guys to try and kill us,and then try to stop him from mind-controlling an entire island's inhabitants

i think maybe that,since dragonborns have dragon blood in them,and absorb dragon souls,would dragon borns be able to absorb another fallen dragonborn's power,if they knew how?

maybe that might be why,he wanted your power,the power of a hero (as in,someone who's destiny isnt even known by the gods),someone who might even be the physical manifestation of Shor themself,to be able to escape Hermaus Mora's realm of Oblivion and rule over Solstheim

think about it,Hermaus Mora hoards all kinds of secrets,many of them forbidden or otherwise forgotten,Miraak could of easily learned how to accomplish this either before or after being forced into eternal servitude to a daedric prince,but was trapped before he was able to do as much

[Karmo]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

At the beginning of the DLC, the people that have beef with the Dragonborn (your character) are the cultists. Mirrak becomes aware of you when you ``accidentally'' open a Black Book and interrupt him. He sends you back to Solstheim like bro and doesn't even bother you again until you start killing his dragons. The Dragonborn (your character) actively seeks to disrupt his plans and eventually track him down and kill him.

Miraak did nothing wrong.

well,he did nothing wrong besides try to mind-control an entire island full of ash-yam farmers and old-styled nords

he also steals the souls of dragons you kill as well,even if you've only opened the first black book and otherwise did nothing else towards him

[Ēarendel]

There was some classic rivalry going on there, but I wouldn't have minded if they made the storyline into an actual RPG and gave an alternate ending with Miraak as a follower...

[warmed_over]

Originally posted by !!-*Trickster*-!! ^^:

There was some classic rivalry going on there, but I wouldn't have minded if they made the storyline into an actual RPG and gave an alternate ending with Miraak as a follower...

I would have enjoyed a Shout trainer similar to Paarthunax. Someone you can go see to make your shouts a little more powerful.

DragonAspect over 9000...

[THEOTHERJESTER]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

... Miraak did nothing wrong.

This actually makes a lot of sense. The cultists would probably see Miraak as the "true dragonborn" and be the ones who want you "the false dragonborn" dead.

Originally posted by !!-*Trickster*-!! ^^:

There was some classic rivalry going on there, but I wouldn't have minded if they made the storyline into an actual RPG and gave an alternate ending with Miraak as a follower...

I am really starting to notice the lack of player agency in Skyrim but that is something for an entirely different discussion.

[Karmo]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

Originally posted by Karmo:

well,he did nothing wrong besides try to mind-control an entire island full of ash-yam farmers and old-styled nords

That is obviously the work of Her Mora trying to cause the Skaals to reveal their secrets. There is a book that tells the story in game.

he also steals the souls of dragons you kill as well,even if you've only opened the first black book and otherwise did nothing else towards him

You killed his pet dragons, so those souls are rightfully his. You can't just go to some other dragonborn's island and start killing his dragons.

Come on...

well i never said the dragons were only the ones from Solsteim,whenever i went through with doing the main questlineof base skyrim,i generally dont bother with the Dragonborn DLC's main questline anyways,up until every single dragon i kill Miraak steals because i just wanted a fancy perk that rewarding me for pursuing a literary education or having a friend with me

and yes,i know old Herma just wanted to indulge in some freaky tentacle action with the Elder of the Skall and learn something new,but it doesnt matter which person on your team is doing the mind-control,most of the people getting mind-controlled are just freakin ash-yam farmers

ASH
YAM
FARMERS
IT DOESNT GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT FOR A DUNMER

how would you feel,if not only were you forced into doing something that not even the people who do it want to/like to,but also have to build/corrupt shrines for some long-dead person who may or may not be a crazed lunatic for all you know,all against any will you might have

AND YOU DONT EVEN GET A "THANK YOU" EITHER,JUST CREEPY WHISPERING

[Karmo]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

Originally posted by THEOTHERJESTER:

This actually makes a lot of sense. The cultists would probably see Miraak as the "true dragonborn" and be the ones who want you "the false dragonborn" dead.

He didn't even know you existed before you interrupted him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wB531FZ2Mg

Originally posted by Karmo:

ASH
YAM
FARMERS
IT DOESNT GET ANY WORSE THAN THAT FOR A DUNMER

They can get on a boat and go adventuring in Skyrim. There is a lot of money to be made just catching butterflies.

that would require being able to afford such an adventure,as well as having the skills to be able to do so,dragons guard butterflies its their baby,not even a 50% fire resist helps against a dragon chasing you to the ends of the earth and back

and y'know,the whole "only ship owner getting abducted by cultists" thing that happened?

[THEOTHERJESTER]

Originally posted by Karmo:

how would you feel,if not only were you forced into doing something that not even the people who do it want to/like to,but also have to build/corrupt shrines for some long-dead person who may or may not be a crazed lunatic for all you know,all against any will you might have

AND YOU DONT EVEN GET A "THANK YOU" EITHER,JUST CREEPY WHISPERING

To be fair they are just Ash Yam farmers (not to mention dark elves) and he is a Dragonborn. If you were stuck doing the bidding of some nasty looking tentacle-eye-ball monster with a voice sounding like he can't stop shoving cake in his mouth how would you feel? Personally if forcing some random farmers who are on MY island to rebuild my temple means I can get back home I would totally do it.

If I recall Miraak didn't die. Mora just saved him before what's his face the Jailer (I think) finished him off and that is why he's stuck in tentacle land.

So Miraak was taken from his home and forced to do Mora's bidding. He could only watch his island and bid his time learning as much as possible to one day return. Random Elf/Nords come onto his island and take over the place. Bunch of time passes and eventually he figures how he can return. He uses mind control magic he probably learned from one of Mora's books to get the inhabitants of the island to rebuild his temple. Mora realises that one of his toys is trying to escape after spending a long time in his realm learning a lot of potentially dangerous things that could even put himself (Mora) in danger.

Then random cultists who worship Miraak attack the last Dragonborn causing him to go to Solstheim to see why they tried to kill him. The last Dragonborn discovers the temple, the book, Miraak etc. and the events leading to Miraak's fall are set in motion...

I think that Mora might have a hand in getting the Dragonborn to go to Skyrim in order to confront Miraak to prevent anything he might have learned while in tentacle land from being used against him.

[GrimCat]

https://youtu.be/sqcLjcSloXs

[Gamer Supreme]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wB531FZ2Mg

Miraak could have thought that the player had come as an intrusion. He says that Solstheim is his, as if he thought you were there to take it from him. After all, he says he wants to return home :/

Also he even pats you on the back for defeating Alduin, and even after you defeat him he isn't really angry with you.

[conatushawk]

Originally posted by #2_:3:

At the beginning of the DLC, the people that have beef with the Dragonborn (your character) are the cultists. Mirrak becomes aware of you when you ``accidentally'' open a Black Book and interrupt him. He sends you back to Solstheim like bro and doesn't even bother you again until you start killing his dragons. The Dragonborn (your character) actively seeks to disrupt his plans and eventually track him down and kill him.

Miraak did nothing wrong.

Miraak was in the process of enslaving everyone on the island iirc.