Hern Essential?

[slandox]

I'm on the Dark Brotherhood quest, Kill Hern, and it sends me to a cave insted of Half Moon Mill (first red flag) but when i try to kill him, he dosen't die and gets on his knees insted. Is there any way to make him non essential?

[smr1957]

Hern is not marked as essential in the game, and you should be able to kill him to complete that quest (see: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Hern and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kill_Hern ). The Wiki does not list any bugs associated with that quest. Are you using any mods that change NPC's status? If you have mods, please post your load order (which should be sorted by LOOT).

[slandox]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Hern is not marked as essential in the game, and you should be able to kill him to complete that quest (see: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Hern and http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kill_Hern ). The Wiki does not list any bugs associated with that quest. Are you using any mods that change NPC's status? If you have mods, please post your load order (which should be sorted by LOOT).

My load order is
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dragonborn.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dawnguard.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
SomeguySeries.esm
CompanonArissa.esm
notice board.esp
Campfire.esm
Gray Fox Cowl.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
SkyUI.esp
AHZmoreHUD.esp
ImmersiveSpells.esp
TrueStorms.esp
TrueStorms-SupremeStorms-Vanilla.esp
Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
vMYC_MeetYourCharecters.esp
AOS.esp
AOS2_TrueStorms Patch.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
AOS2_DSI Patch.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
AOS2_Unique Uniques Patch.esp
BloodOfTheNord.esp
Oblivion Gates v3 without Markers.esp
Oblivion Gates v3.esp
more idle markers.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Apocalypes - The Spell Package.esp
DeadlyMutilation.esp
Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
QuickLight.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
SBF All In One + DLC.esp
SleepMenuExtender.esp
BR_HoodCirclets.esp
FollowerWander2.esp
IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD - Dragonborn - Dawnguard - EBT Patch.esp
dD - Larger Splatter Size.esp
The Dance Of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
TakeNotes.esp
UnreadBooksGlow.esp
stranger_danger.esp
Populated Lands Roads Paths Legendary.esp
Populated Skyrim Prisons Cells.esp
GuildStarter.esp
Holidays.esp
ETaC - Complete Holidays Patch.esp
WetandCold.esp
OBIS.esp
OBISDB.esp
Bandit Partols.esp
OBIS DG Faction Patch.esp
Populated Cities Towns Villages.esp
CollageOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
Footprints.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
WayhrinesIFT.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
notice board - dargonborn patch.esp
JaxonzRenamer.esp
JaxonzRenamerFollerTweak.esp
Za Warudo.esp
anyonefollows2.esp
Public Executions.esp
Sinking Bodies.esp
AskTheWay.esp
Civil War Cleanup.esp
SellThoseElderScrolls.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_Campfire_Patch.esp
ArtOfTheCatch.esp
RealisticRoomRental.esp
Dwemertech - Magic of the Dwarves.esp
ForgottenCity.esp
ArtifactsOfBoethiah.esp
Vampire_NoSunDamage_Hoods&Helmets.esp

[smr1957]

I'm checking through your mod list to see if any mod that changes NPCs could be causing this. Just a couple of things below (not necessarily the cause of the problem, however).
First, there are two mods that you should use:

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch by Unofficial Patch Project Team - http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/71214/?

Unofficial High Resolution Patch by Unofficial Patch Project Team - http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/31255/?

(see: New Players : You must install the Unofficial Skyrim Patches by Nazenn http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/613956964579064476/ )

Second:
(from Masterlist : Dangerous, Outdated and Superseded Mods by Nazenn
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681422555089/ ):
"Dance of Death - Rating: Eight (8)
Last version checked: 4.0
Replaced by: Violens - A Killmove Mod
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/56980/?
Dance of Death is a high quality mod with only a few minor bugs present however development has ceased on it due to lack of time from the author. Violens provides all the same functions as Dance of Death and some more and is also more stable, although it does have extra scripting. The MCM allows more customization and the author is still developing this mod and able to provide support for any issues."

Note: Unless you intend to start a new game, do not replace this, as you should not remove mods mid playthrough.

[smr1957]

Don't see any mod in particular that would change his status.
Would suggest that you use TES5Edit to check for conflict.
1. Open TES5Edit and let it load all your mods.
2. Once it has finished loading, in the box in upper left labeled Form ID, type in:
0001367b (this is Hern) and hit Enter.
Hern's record should now appear. if there is a conflict, it will be be red.
3. In the window to the right (where the mod info is showing), right click anywhere.
4. In the box that appears, select Hide no conflict rows
5. You should see a section called ACBS - Configuration and right under that a line labeled Flags
6. On that line (the one marked Flags), if you see any mod that has him listed as:
Auto-calc stats, Unique, Essential
then:
a) Right click on that statement
b) select edit (a warning will come up asking if you are sure you wish to change this - select yes)
c) When the box saying Edit Value appears, uncheck the Essential box (should be 2nd down)
d) Click okay.
7. Close TES5Edit (select Backup in lower left corner of the box that appears, and make sure that the mod being edited is checked)
8. Click Okay.
TES5Edit will close, and Hern will no longer be essential.
9. Load a save from just prior to encountering Hern

Yes, there probably is a console command, but consider this a mini tutorial on the use of TES5Edit (there are many uses for it, and it is one of the most powerful tools you can use when modding your game) - and I personally prefer not to use console, as improper use can totally break your game.

[smr1957]

If you don't want,to go through that (completely understandable), than just hold off - I'm sure that there will be others that can provide alternate solutions. Hope you get it fixed and can get back to playing the game!

[dxseb01]

quest conflict because you must save him so use command (setstage dbsidecontract04 20 )

[Mr. Monday]

I think Immersive Citizens allows him to move between his home and Falkreath, but I don't recall it making him essential.

[Lupus157]

I have this same problem. I think it is a quest from notice boards. I had to "rescue Hern from Lost Knife Hideout"

[smr1957]

Geez, someone responds a year and a half later, with bad advice, to boot. If anyone really wants to know what mod is effecting him (or, anything else for that matter), instead of just guessing at it, all they need to do is follow the directions in my post #4.

Now let this thread die peacefully - it's no longer Halloween or the Day of the Dead

[Beautiful Ham Sandwich]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Geez, someone responds a year and a half later, with bad advice, to boot. If anyone really wants to know what mod is effecting him (or, anything else for that matter), instead of just guessing at it, all they need to do is follow the directions in my post #4.

Now let this thread die peacefully - it's no longer Halloween or the Day of the Dead

Calm down smr, don't get a HERNia over this hahaha

...Joking aside, if anyone else is having this problem, don't follow dxseb's advice. That console command isn't exactly well known for it's stability

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

Originally posted by smr1957:

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Calm down smr, don't get a HERNia over this hahaha

...Joking aside, if anyone else is having this problem, don't follow dxseb's advice. That console command isn't exactly well known for it's stability

LOL!

Whenever someone responds to one of these really old threads, I always get a picture in my head of a skeleton slumped over a dust covered PC - the person having expired in a futile wait for an answer. Or, the person responding, working really hard over the years to be able write something intelligent - and usually (as in this case), failing miserably.

[Mr. Monday]

Yeah, I wasn't looking at the dates...

[alexander_dougherty]

Originally posted by smr1957:

Originally posted by Beautiful Ham Sandwich:

Calm down smr, don't get a HERNia over this hahaha

...Joking aside, if anyone else is having this problem, don't follow dxseb's advice. That console command isn't exactly well known for it's stability

LOL!

Whenever someone responds to one of these really old threads, I always get a picture in my head of a skeleton slumped over a dust covered PC - the person having expired in a futile wait for an answer. Or, the person responding, working really hard over the years to be able write something intelligent - and usually (as in this case), failing miserably.

It takes longer than that for someone to turn into a skeleton, not to mention that very few people have an attention span that lo..........