Lore Question: Is there a possible way to kill a Daedric prince?

[StuckInWashingMachine]

I'll have to admit that my knowledge of the lore is very limited, I've beaten this game on console several times, and gotten rather far on several quest mods.

I didn't make it very far in the previous games namely Oblivion and Morrowind. However I have watched and subscribed to Several TES focus youtubers, Zaric Zhakarion being one example.

I just wanted to entertain this idea of mine. I randomly started thinking about Skyrim for Bored reasons and thought about the Daedric princes. They tend to have this selfish egotistical attitude towards mortals. Like they see them as pathetic insects worth nothing to them other than pure entertainment.

I can compare this type of setting to being similar to the main story in the God of War series, and I just got to thinking. It just makes for an interesting game where a mortal sets off to kill a Daedric prince that has wronged him.
I remember a similar story where this one dude who's name and origins I remember nothing about went off to kill Boethia, essentially he failed and ended up getting eaten. Then Beothia took a huge dump and within that Malacath arose.

The difference with this story is that it would be a lot more action oriented and Epic. Completly made from a different engine and different developer, it would take place in the Elder Scrolls universe but be very different from what most of the TES games feel like.

Similar to games like Mass Effect, or Call of duty Infinite warfare the game would have small open world and RPG progression mechanics, but the main core and focus of the game would be the gameplay. It would be a hack and slash, beat em up type of game.

I thought up a story similar to God of War with this epic setting of a depressed and Wrong Hero who is fueled by his hatred and lust for revenge against one of the Daedric princes. He becomes this epic killing machine who pushed himself past mortal limits due to pure devotion to seek justice against the one who has wrong him.

I wanted the game to stay true to what appealed to me in most TES games would be that the world felt very detailed and immersive. In this sense the combat would be very immersive.

diversity and model design in each individual enemy would be original, the combat would have a heavy focus on melee but the true kicker would be that the world was very interactive. Enemies would continuously spawn in and the majority of them would drop weapons, sometimes weapons can be made out of the environment or certain scenarios could be made to make hazardous situations. In any event the weapons would have short usage burst thus making it essential to continuously pick up weapons off the floor as they would flood the room continuously as enemies continued to die. The game would be very fast paced and have several elements focusing on item management and combat.

The game would still live up to what makes TES games great to me. It would still have characters with interesting back stories and personalities, but not to a huge extent to where the game was this huge free flowing sandbox, RPG open world.

but to get back to my question, I was just wondering if it is possible to slay a Daedric Prince, I heard that you can possibly slay their lesser form or whatever should a part of them ever materialize in nirn. But all that does is banish them back to their relm of oblivion.

To my understanding a Daedric Prince is literally the embodiment of the entirety of the existence of that relm of oblivion. Like for example Hermaeus Mora, is litterally what his relm of apocrypha is. The entire universe is what he is.
Like can you possibly destroy an entire universe? If this mortal went into God mode and literally picked up the entire universe and threw it off the scope of the map, would that count or what?

Again my understanding of the Lore is rather limited, but I want to speculate on any sort of possibilities or whatever. Like Mortal limitations or speculates don't matter to me, I want to entertain this thought to a higher degree.

[Bragi]

Well....if i remember correctly,...there are stories about daedric princes killing other daedric princes. But i don't know if it is possible for mortals to kill a daedric prince. It's actually a sucide mission if you were to attempt it. :P

[Bragi]

Although come to think of it..
Lorkhanic legend tells of Aedra killing Aedra, so... some trick may be included. Though i think a Prince can die if his realm is completely destroyed.

[Bomb Bloke]

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but to get back to my question, I was just wondering if it is possible to slay a Daedric Prince, I heard that you can possibly slay their lesser form or whatever should a part of them ever materialize in nirn. But all that does is banish them back to their relm of oblivion.

It's possible to defeat them in combat, assuming certain conditions are met. You actually do this yourself in the previous game, Oblivion, and the fact that it's tricky to truly "eliminate" them is kinda a major plot point - I could go into detail, but I'd truly be spoiling one of the best storylines in the whole damn series. Go play through Shivering Isles already.

[Evilcheesewheel]

I believe you can, (sort of) but you have to be in their realm of oblivion.

[Melletch]

Ask Lorkhan...

[Melletch]

Or talos, shows that a mortal can become immortal, perhaps killing other immortals.

[StuckInWashingMachine]

@Bomb Bloke

alright

[alexander_dougherty]

Daedra can not be killed, they are unkillable.
Aedra can be killed, since they invested so much of their strength into the act of creating the mortal plane. Lorkhan/Shor was an Aedra.
Daedra can be cursed though, like the Daedric Prince of Order was (this turned him into the Daedric Prince of Madness) (look up Sheogorath and Jyggalag for details)

[StuckInWashingMachine]

@alexander_dougherty

Can you at least explain why they are unkillable. I get that they are immortable but I wish to know the logic behind this so I can figure out a way to bend the rules.

[Melletch]

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Daedra can not be killed, they are unkillable.
Aedra can be killed, since they invested so much of their strength into the act of creating the mortal plane. Lorkhan/Shor was an Aedra.
Daedra can be cursed though, like the Daedric Prince of Order was (this turned him into the Daedric Prince of Madness) (look up Sheogorath and Jyggalag for details)

I thought the only difference between aedra and daedra was some lived others died. So daedra could die, but would need to either willing sacrifice themselves, or be killed like lorkhan.

[alexander_dougherty]

Publicado originalmente por Melletch:

Publicado originalmente por alexander_dougherty:

Daedra can not be killed, they are unkillable.
Aedra can be killed, since they invested so much of their strength into the act of creating the mortal plane. Lorkhan/Shor was an Aedra.
Daedra can be cursed though, like the Daedric Prince of Order was (this turned him into the Daedric Prince of Madness) (look up Sheogorath and Jyggalag for details)

I thought the only difference between aedra and daedra was some lived others died. So daedra could die, but would need to either willing sacrifice themselves, or be killed like lorkhan.

Aedra and Daedra started out as very similar creatures. The only real differences were philosophical.

But when the Aedra invested most of their strength in creating the Mortal plane, they became killable. While the Daedra who didn't spend their strength in creation remain unkillable. It's believed that when the mortal plane has completed it's purpose (whatever that actually is), the Aedra might become fully immortal again (debates about whether the Aedra who died would rise again or remain dead divide opinions).

But Daedra remain unkillable, and only curses like the one that trapped Jyggalag within Sheogorath have any real impact. Their are stories of minor Daedra dying, but that is most likely just the body, and the spirit reincarnates like all the other Daedra. Also in ESO there is a story about a clan of Daedra being uncreated (except one survivor), but that was ruled non-canon and doesn't count.

[Melletch]

All of ESO is now ruled uncanon!?

And I still think that means if created into something, they would die. No limit rule, you know. Not that we can foresee such an event or what may cause it. Aedra were made from...something. if daedra were uncreated back into that, it would make sense. Everyone is a bit of magic and spirit that is torn up and divide before being reformed or left alone in aethirius or other places. Someone said one technically you are a part of akatosh by being born from as dragonborn.

Thoughts?

The aedra coming back sounds interesting...

[Melletch]

Wow, I hate autocorrect!