Blood on the Ice Bug

[W+M1 Pyro]

Hi. so, I have a problem with this side quest. It just dont want to trigger. Tried literally everything but nothing seems to work.

- Tried to visit the surrounding locations of Windhelm multiple times as the Uesp wiki suggest
- Tried to go back and forth from the main entrance and the port multiple times between 7 pm and 7 am
- Tried to force the quest to start with cc "startquest ms11" and nothing happens (with "getstage ms11" it gives "0")
- Tried to reset the AI of every npc involved in the quest (which are alive as they are marked as essential characters with the unofficial legendary patch)

At this point I dont know what else can I do. know I can steal the key of Hjerim and activate the quest with a pamphlets but it feels kinda lame...

Any ideas?

(sorry for my english)

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by cfs111:

Now that is a load order, right at the edge of the plugin limit. Of the mods I know I do not see any issues. There is some soft conflict somewhere blocking this quest for you. Finding the cause would be an undertaking to say the least. Best bet is to find the key, or use the unlock commad. Hopefully that will start the quest.

oh yeah, tried to give it a look with TES5Edit but that goes far beyond my understanding. tried a search based on the quest id through all the esp and esm files but i have no idea what im doing.

unfortunatelly even with the hjerim key and by reading the killer diary and the pamphlets the quest does not start. jeez i really messed it up big time.

[cfs111]

Yea, something is blocking that quest. I doubt you will find the culprit with xedit, chances are it is some obscure subrecord has been changed. About the only way to figure it out is to take mods out in sections and test on a new game until the quest starts. Once you have found the first mod, then put it back and start over until you find the second mod.

[smr1957]

I know you said you read the bug section in http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Blood_on_the_Ice#Bugs
and it didn't help (I've been following this thread), just want to double check and make absolutely sure before you really start tearing the game down to find the problem.

"Initiating the Quest
◾Although most of the NPCs needed for the quest to initiate are marked as essential, another quest, namely the Dark Brotherhood quest Mourning Never Comes, will encourage you to kill Nilsine Shatter-Shield. Even though she is not related to this quest, her mother, Tova Shatter-Shield, will commit suicide if Nilsine is killed, and will therefore render this quest impossible to initiate."

I know this has been fixed by the patches (which you have), but it just sounds like what you're experiencing (and the patches don't fix things retroactively). If this really does not apply, then it's like cfs said - a total pain. Hope you get it fixed, and when you do, let us know what was causing it. Good luck.

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by smr1957:

I know you said you read the bug section in http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Blood_on_the_Ice#Bugs
and it didn't help (I've been following this thread), just want to double check and make absolutely sure before you really start tearing the game down to find the problem.

"Initiating the Quest
◾Although most of the NPCs needed for the quest to initiate are marked as essential, another quest, namely the Dark Brotherhood quest Mourning Never Comes, will encourage you to kill Nilsine Shatter-Shield. Even though she is not related to this quest, her mother, Tova Shatter-Shield, will commit suicide if Nilsine is killed, and will therefore render this quest impossible to initiate."

I know this has been fixed by the patches (which you have), but it just sounds like what you're experiencing (and the patches don't fix things retroactively). If this really does not apply, then it's like cfs said - a total pain. Hope you get it fixed, and when you do, let us know what was causing it. Good luck.

checked and tova is alive, and nilsine too. also to be 100% sure i tried the cc


prid 0001b12c
resurrect
enable
moveto player

entered through the main gate at night after waiting for 1 day. sadly no quest. reading the pamphlets, startquest and setstage cc has no effect

will start breaking the game down piece after piece asap

[Uncle64]

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[76561198034396398]

rather curious if your save game has rogue scripts in it or if it's bloated,while i never use that utility to clean my saves,i do use it to have a look at what my games doing

[Uncle64]

Move this plugin down your loadorder. All the way down to your Bashed Patch
46 2e Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Move this up to Cutting Room plugin.
103 67 FISS.esp

Cant see anything in the load that can do the issue.
But do this.
13 d WinterholdDestruction.esm
And this. Work together?
56 38 ETaC - Winterhold.esp
57 39 ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
58 3a ETaC - Winterhold EWDR Patch.esp


This is replaced by RDO
69 45 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

[Uncle64]

Originally posted by Anubis:

rather curious if your save game has rogue scripts in it or if it's bloated,while i never use that utility to clean my saves,i do use it to have a look at what my games doing

there is one danger to clean your saves, since you can actually mess them up more, that happens when you remove temp scripts that some mods do use.

[smr1957]

See that you checked that they were alive, so that's not the cause of your problem. As an aside, the console command resurrect should never be used on a named character who is dead, as it only creates, basically, a generic NPC that has that character's name, but none of the necessary scripts. As far as the game is concerned, the named NPC is dead - and stays that way. Since both necessary NPCs were (and are currently) alive in game, obviously this is not the problem; but if one of them had been killed, the problem you describe would have occurred - despite using resurrect. Wish you very good luck in tracking down problem. Am continueing to follow.

[Omgwtfbbqkitten]

I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard someone mention before that you may need a snow storm in the area for the quest to trigger. It sounds farfetched I know, but it might make some sense since the quest is called blood on the ICE.

[smr1957]

Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten:

I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard someone mention before that you may need a snow storm in the area for the quest to trigger. It sounds farfetched I know, but it might make some sense since the quest is called blood on the ICE.

Saw a post where it was mentioned (while trying to find solution to OP's problem) - the person stated that THEY had heard it - but didn't remember who or where it was that they heard or read it. Would have to say it's probably not true - just a case of coincidence that quest happened to start at same time a snowstorm was blowing - and someone put 2 + 2 together and got 5.

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by Anubis:

rather curious if your save game has rogue scripts in it or if it's bloated,while i never use that utility to clean my saves,i do use it to have a look at what my games doing

you mean by deleting complex mod in mid game? never did that.
now the savefile weighs about 13 mb

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by Uncle64SwE:

Move this plugin down your loadorder. All the way down to your Bashed Patch
46 2e Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp
Move this up to Cutting Room plugin.
103 67 FISS.esp

Cant see anything in the load that can do the issue.
But do this.
13 d WinterholdDestruction.esm
And this. Work together?
56 38 ETaC - Winterhold.esp
57 39 ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
58 3a ETaC - Winterhold EWDR Patch.esp


This is replaced by RDO
69 45 FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

1 - is it a loot error?

2 - bloody hell, they actually are not. given that etac patch i assumed they were compatible. never bothered to check either... never went to winterhold before. I'll be damned.

3 - wouldn't i need to re make and re run all the patcher with that? thought it was not recommended to do in mid game

[W+M1 Pyro]

Originally posted by Omgwtfbbqkitten:

I don't know if it is true or not, but I have heard someone mention before that you may need a snow storm in the area for the quest to trigger. It sounds farfetched I know, but it might make some sense since the quest is called blood on the ICE.

i am actually in the middle of a snowstorm now

[cfs111]

3. Yes a new game will be needed. Keep it in mind for your next playthrough. But chances are if you find the issue it may not fix it for this save.