No one is outside in Whiterun...

[Meme Lord Stranger]

I recently just came back from the Abandonded Shack that Astrid kidnaps you. After I... Dealt with her, I fast traveled to Whiterun and was just walking around doing the usual stuff.
Go store items in Breezehome, visit my child and husband, go sell useless loot at Belethors etc.

Then when i started going to the cloud district as i often do, i noticed something was wrong.
Where is everyone...?

None of the citizens in Whiterun are outside, not even the shopkeepers at the marketstands. The only ones who are outside are the guards, Vignar Gray-Mane, Eorlund Gray-Mane, my husband (i downloaded a mod that gives spouses a daily routine) and my child but only if i tell her to go play outside. I also sometimes see the companions going out of Jorravaskr in their "backyard" but thats it.

But even inside i noticed people are not really in their normal state. People who are also inside are not in the place they should be. For example, Belethor isn't usually at the counter and is instead walking around his shop alongside Sigrud (i think that was his name... The guy who works for Belethor), same could be said for Arcadia, she just walks around. The NPCs who are staying at the Bannered Mare are also not at the place they usually are. The guy who complains about the security in Whiterun is not sitting besides the fire, Hulda is never in her counter, Mikael is never singing, even the carriage guy from the stables is there and Saadia is just walking around while... Breniun is cooking for her? Everyone else is probably staying at their homes while moving around it.

Basically, everyone is staying at their homes as if its a lockdown or its raining dogs on fire outside ( 5 cookies for people who get the refrence) and everyones daily routine seems to be disabled or something.
I haven't checked anywhere else yet, but i still made this. Whiterun looks pretty deserted.

I will put my mod list from Mod Manager if you guys need it.

EDIT: I would like to test things myself by narrowing my mods down but I think i will look for help first and see if this is already a known problem that people can fix.

EDIT2: I found the problem and I fixed it. It was obviously, When Vampires Attack (Not Run for your Lives. Dragons can't attack in cities) I just disabled and reenabled the mods and all the NPCs daily routines are now working

[BushiNeko]

Mod would most likely be the start point.
Did this start after you added that mod?
Un-add it. Is it fixed?
Did it start after other adds?
Narrow those down.
The only thing I can say is you added something that fubar'd the folks.
Maybe someone can recognize the mod from your list right off.

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Bushi Neko:

Mod would most likely be the start point.
Did this start after you added that mod?
Un-add it. Is it fixed?
Did it start after other adds?
Narrow those down.
The only thing I can say is you added something that fubar'd the folks.
Maybe someone can recognize the mod from your list right off.

It started happening after i downloaded the "Destroy the Thieves Guild" mod and More Dialouge Control mod. There is also another one but that one is just skins and meshes, no ESPs or Scripts. Should I get my Mod List?

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Here is my mod list then.

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
+Reshaped Ebony armor and helmet and shield_standalone_1.4-60789-1-5
+The REAL Fus Ro Dah
+TwisterBow
+Meeko Reborn
+Diseased v108d
+Image Presentation in Loadscreens
+Loading Screens With Extra Sarcasm (DLC)-71838-1-5
+Loading Screens With Extra Sarcasm
+ANIMATION - Ritual Spell
+HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding
+Skeletons of Daggerfall
+Lord Valkoran's Enhanced Draugr FX-58359-Final
+Fantasy Soundtrack Project
+Boethiah for Good Guys 1
+Jaxonz Renamer
+Jiubs Opus Quest Markers
+Spouse's freedom 1.1-82642-1-1
+Dark Souls Sounds
+Better Bows
-Fennec Children
+Serana 1 3 BFG Edition
+Skooma Drug Effect
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended
+Medium Force
+CoverEyes
+Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks - Main File
+Player marriage dialogue redone
+Auriels Divine Bow
+Helmetless Perks
+Ask Innkeepers To Show Room v1.0-80796-1-0
+SPOA Shield 1K MEDIUM
+SPOA Silver Knight Armor 1 03 STANDALONE 2K1K Medium I
+Skyforge Upgraded
+Summermyst
+Rich Merchants - Less
+No More Stupid Dog Comments
+Khajiit Child Maisha
+Adoptable Khajiit Boy
+Go to bed
+DreamBurrows Regal Assassin Armor
+VioLens - A Killmove Mod
+Dominions More Khajiits
+Alcohol Drunk Effect
+DarkenD v1.2-67559-1-2
+World Eater Beater 1.1-53350-1-1
+WhiterunTrees
+SkyUI
+When Vampires Attack
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+It Beats For Her
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+Run For Your Lives
+Combat Evolved
+No smoke
+Sounds of Skyrim - The Dungeons Full
+Don't hide Beast Ears Mod
+Unique Party and Radiant Clothes
+True Wolves of Skyrim - 1k
+Sounds of Skyrim - Civilization 1 02 Full Version
+Sounds of Skyrim - The Wilds 1 13 Full Version
+Vukasin
+Playable Fox Race - Fennec
+No Spinning Death Animation
+Truly undead FINAL
+FNIS Animations 0.2
+FNIS PCEA2
+FNIS Behavior
+One With Nature - Dynamic Animals and Creatures
+A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads
+Draugr Horrific Textures
+Waterfall Nebula plus Skyrim Galaxy
+Inside the Nebula - Waterfall Nebula
+Improved Gemstone Claws 1.1-49693-1-1
+Grey Rat replace Skeever
+Cute Eyed Fox Retexture - Vanilla Colours - 1K
+SABRECAT.by.Kajuan
+Real Spiders
+Real Bears
+More Realistic Werewolf Skins
+SLF Hair - LITE - 1K
+Brows-Overhaul
+Beards - 1K Resolution
+Pretty Jump Animations
+coverkhajiits female version
+coverkhajiits male version
+The Rift - Aspen Leaves FX - Super Performance
+Pine Needles FX
+Snowfall FX
+Rainfall FX
+Fine Face Textures for Men by Urshi Version II
+Skyrim Main Menu Background Replacer
+HDT Physics Extensions
+aMidianBorn ebony armor BLACK
+aMidianborn Glass Armor Golden
+LightGlassArmor
+Manlier Men Mod
+WOS DAWNGUARD patch CBBE
+Women Of Skyrim CBBE Full Set
+Caliente's Vanilla Outfits for CBBE
+Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE-
+No More Blocky Faces
+MfgConsole
+AmazingFollowerTweaks
+Khajiit Will Follow
+Destroy the Thieves Guild BSA version
+Better Dialogue Controls
+Skyrim Bigger Trees
+Breezehome Fully Upgradable Dawnguard and Hearthfires
+Realistic Water Two
+Relighting Skyrim - Updated for USLEEP
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+ShowRaceMenu PreCacheKiller
+RaceMenu v3-4
+Optimized HearthFires Textures - HD
+Optimized Dragonborn Textures - HD
+Optimized Dawnguard Textures - HD
+Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD
+Unofficial High Resolution Patch
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01
+ApachiiSkyHairMale
+ApachiiSkyHairFemale
+JaySuS Swords - Unofficial Improved Loading Screens
+JaySuS Swords V13C
+RaceCompatibility with fixes
+ApachiiSkyHair v 1 6 Full
+Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version
+Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch
*Unmanaged: Dawnguard
*Unmanaged: Dragonborn
*Unmanaged: HearthFires

[BushiNeko]

Cant hurt. I probably cant help in this case, since I ve never had an issue like that, I know I dont know offhand a mod that does it.
You did do your LOOT etc for conflicts and such?
With everyone no longer around, my money would be on the time schedule one doing something wrong.. but if the mod has no known issues, it could be it with a conflict / load order out of place.

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Bushi Neko:

Cant hurt. I probably cant help in this case, since I ve never had an issue like that, I know I dont know offhand a mod that does it.
You did do your LOOT etc for conflicts and such?
With everyone no longer around, my money would be on the time schedule one doing something wrong.. but if the mod has no known issues, it could be it with a conflict / load order out of place.

I use LOOT and sometimes manually move the orders in the left panel myself in MO.

Maybe i can just wait for a while in-game and maybe they will be reset and go back to their normal state?

[BushiNeko]

mmm... check run for your lives... I seem to recall at some point there was a mention of it messing with NPC and location. I

This is not going to be an issue for that.. but AFT needs to be the last thing before a bash patch. Otherwise anything effecting followers overrules it.

It would be better to see your actual LOOT order.

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Bushi Neko:

mmm... check run for your lives... I seem to recall at some point there was a mention of it messing with NPC and location. I

This is not going to be an issue for that.. but AFT needs to be the last thing before a bash patch. Otherwise anything effecting followers overrules it.

It would be better to see your actual LOOT order.

The Run for your Lives, When Vampires Attack and AFT worked perfectly fine and people were able to walk around before.

And what is this Bashed Patch that people talk about? I don't use Wyre Bash and I am not wasting another month doing nothing but setting up my game (No seriously, it took me a week for me to get used to Mod Manager and downloading all the mods I needed and i don't wanna start doing the same thing over and over again with another program now)

Here is my LOOT Order

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp
ApachiiHair.esm
RaceCompatibility.esm
JSwords.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RelightingSkyrim.esp
Skyrim Bigger Trees Lite Full.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Breezehome_Fully_Upgradable.esp
SoS - The Wilds.esp
SoS - Civilization.esp
SoS - The Dungeons.esp
Combat Evolved.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
Destroy the Thieves Guild.esp
KhajiitWillFollow.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp
CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
Beards.esp
Brows.esp
One With Nature - DG+DB.esp
FNIS.esp
FNIS_PCEA2.esp
trulyundead.esp
FennecRace.esp
Vukasin.esp
KK_Lola_companion_wolfdog.esp
khajiit ears with helmets-dragonborn.esp
khajiit ears with helmets-dawnguard.esp
khajiit ears with helmets.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
whiteruntrees.esp
WorldEaterBeater.esp
Darkend.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
ItBeatsForHer.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
alcoholiceffect.esp
ajd_morekhajiit.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SkyUI.esp
VioLens.esp
DreamBurrowsRegalAssassin.esp
GoToBed.esp
My_Little_kitty.esp
KhajiitChildren.esp
nomorestupiddog.esp
RichMerchants_Less.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
SkyforgeUpgraded.esp
SPOAsilverknight.esp
SPOA_shield.esp
CT_AskToShowRoom.esp
big_helmetless_perks_sp0.esp
Auriel's Divine Bow.esp
Player marriage dialogue redone..esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp
XPMSE.esp
skoomaeffect.esp
Serana1.3.esp
HBetterBows.esp
UniqueRadiantAndPartyClothes.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp
Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp
dark souls sounds for skyrim.esp
Spouse Daily Routine.esp
JiubQuestMarkers.esp
JaxonzRenamer.esp
AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
HouseOfHorrorsAlternateEnding.esp
DSAMG - Miraak Music Fixes.esp
loadscreensarcasmDLC.esp
BrajornLoading.esp
loadscreentextsextrasass.esp
Diseased.esp
MeekoReborn.esp
TwisterBow.esp
Reshaped Ebony Armor.esp

[BushiNeko]

As far as you know they work perfectly. Yet here you have an issue. ;-p
Like I said, I am not sure about run for your life, but it is one I recall reading had a problem at some point. Never used it, so no idea on the accuracy of that.

AFT awont show any issue either, until you try to use it on followers if they are custom, or some other follower change has been made. It has to be the last mod in load order to get full function.

That is basically what a bash does. Wyre Bash condenses mods ESP and level list when it can to let them work together. It prevents mods that add item to spawn list or crafting etc for example to not be where they should do to another mod overriding.. IE Magic Sword 11 should be a spawn item, but it never does because Magic Hat 11 occupies the spot. It also allows you to ' bash ' some esp's into to one and cut down your mod list count.

Funny you should say that about setting up mods. Ilja and I just mentioned this morning, how after all these years we still work at our mods. I have like 6 perma ones. The rest change often. It gets easy and quick once you know how.

But on to you.

Check Runs mod page. Just in case.
Check the Spouse page. Look for a report.
I cant do any research right now, sorry.. I have to scoot.
If your still fubar'd.. ( and I HOPE your not! ) I ll be back in a bit to look.. the answer has to lay in there.. probably an easy one. :)

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Bushi Neko:

As far as you know they work perfectly. Yet here you have an issue. ;-p
Like I said, I am not sure about run for your life, but it is one I recall reading had a problem at some point. Never used it, so no idea on the accuracy of that.

AFT awont show any issue either, until you try to use it on followers if they are custom, or some other follower change has been made. It has to be the last mod in load order to get full function.

That is basically what a bash does. Wyre Bash condenses mods ESP and level list when it can to let them work together. It prevents mods that add item to spawn list or crafting etc for example to not be where they should do to another mod overriding.. IE Magic Sword 11 should be a spawn item, but it never does because Magic Hat 11 occupies the spot. It also allows you to ' bash ' some esp's into to one and cut down your mod list count.

Funny you should say that about setting up mods. Ilja and I just mentioned this morning, how after all these years we still work at our mods. I have like 6 perma ones. The rest change often. It gets easy and quick once you know how.

But on to you.

Check Runs mod page. Just in case.
Check the Spouse page. Look for a report.
I cant do any research right now, sorry.. I have to scoot.
If your still fubar'd.. ( and I HOPE your not! ) I ll be back in a bit to look.. the answer has to lay in there.. probably an easy one. :)

I have had an issue with my spouse that has to do with AFT i think.
When i married him, he won't talk to me to ask me where we should live so i did manually (just walked up to him and talked to him myself) I told him we should move (even though we never had any home) and then told him to go to Breezehome. But just after that, he then asks me again, but when he was done talking, he just stops and leaves and no dialouge apperared for which home to pick. Then, he won't follow me even when i ask. and i couldn't sleep with him either, it keeps saying invalid bed and when i finally managed to sleep (by speaking to him in his sleep so he can get up and then sleep in the bed fast before he does) I don't get the Lovers Comfort bonus, which means the game is not seeing him as my spouse, or at least not as one in Whiterun, probably because i was too impatient for him to talk to me automatically for a home. But when i got rid of the AFT tweaks from him with the spell, he reseted and started working perfectly fine and he now counts as my spouse.

Although that has nothing to do with the Whiterun problem, it may still lead to a clue that something is wrong?

Anyways, do i really have to put AFT last in the mod order? I feel like if that may actually break some stuff in my game rather than fix things and Mod Organizer will probably give me errors that "AFT should be loaded before this! etc."

Anyways, i will try to fix it myself now...

[BushiNeko]

There are many mods that LOOT will move on you, but experience and knowing how mod A ties to mod B show you is wrong. Basically because LOOT cannot be updated daily with massive testing on every mod made, so it has a generic assign it.

Load order is the key on just about anything in the mods. Be it from preventing CTD, corrupt saves or just plain working right. There are some configs that I am sure work well with AFT at above the base, and as far as your actual issue, it is probably irrelevant where it is. But if your using AFT with custom spouses, or other mod changes to spouses it needs to be last. Otherwise you get a lot of dorked issues involving followers and whatever mod messing with AFT and vice versa.

Best example at play. Vilja. Put her before AFT, you want to not use her clothes settings, because AFT has clothing assignment built in. Using hers just gets dorked. Put her after AFT and you have no control at all but what her built in assigns. Any AFT commands that you use dork your save and her AI package. ( that may be fixed now.. but I dont use her. I am one of the few that never liked her.. )

Sofia ( another famous ) She is fine with AFT. As long as AFT is after. Before. Dorked.

Just using AFT here as an easy example. But load order is key, and some things you have to manually do. One more example. PSQ needs to go before Better Vamps. Loot normally dumps it after. Wont work correctly. It dorks out Better Vamps feeding. LOOT is a GODSEND. But it is not always immaculate. Cannot live without it tho'. I have no plans to sort 180 mods by hand. I know two that need moved. I move them. Functions are fine. All is well.

NOW. Any luck on tracking down that issue while I was away? :)

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by Bushi Neko:

There are many mods that LOOT will move on you, but experience and knowing how mod A ties to mod B show you is wrong. Basically because LOOT cannot be updated daily with massive testing on every mod made, so it has a generic assign it.

Load order is the key on just about anything in the mods. Be it from preventing CTD, corrupt saves or just plain working right. There are some configs that I am sure work well with AFT at above the base, and as far as your actual issue, it is probably irrelevant where it is. But if your using AFT with custom spouses, or other mod changes to spouses it needs to be last. Otherwise you get a lot of dorked issues involving followers and whatever mod messing with AFT and vice versa.

Best example at play. Vilja. Put her before AFT, you want to not use her clothes settings, because AFT has clothing assignment built in. Using hers just gets dorked. Put her after AFT and you have no control at all but what her built in assigns. Any AFT commands that you use dork your save and her AI package. ( that may be fixed now.. but I dont use her. I am one of the few that never liked her.. )

Sofia ( another famous ) She is fine with AFT. As long as AFT is after. Before. Dorked.

Just using AFT here as an easy example. But load order is key, and some things you have to manually do. One more example. PSQ needs to go before Better Vamps. Loot normally dumps it after. Wont work correctly. It dorks out Better Vamps feeding. LOOT is a GODSEND. But it is not always immaculate. Cannot live without it tho'. I have no plans to sort 180 mods by hand. I know two that need moved. I move them. Functions are fine. All is well.

NOW. Any luck on tracking down that issue while I was away? :)

I still haven't done literally ANYTHING. I am too afraid to do anything because everytime i try to fix something by myself, i completely ♥♥♥♥ my game up.

I tried putting AFT, both the esp and the file from the left panel in MO, last in the load order but it gives me the error that "AFT should be after/before these other mods, or your game will ♥♥♥♥ up"

I think i should just play the game normally or wait for like a few days and see if it will work ok...

[BoogieMan_83]

Originally posted by Stranger:

I recently just came back from the Abandonded Shack that Astrid kidnaps you. After I... Dealt with her, I fast traveled to Whiterun and was just walking around doing the usual stuff.
Go store items in Breezehome, visit my child and husband, go sell useless loot at Belethors etc.

Then when i started going to the cloud district as i often do, i noticed something was wrong.
Where is everyone...?

None of the citizens in Whiterun are outside, not even the shopkeepers at the marketstands. The only ones who are outside are the guards, Vignar Gray-Mane, Eorlund Gray-Mane, my husband (i downloaded a mod that gives spouses a daily routine) and my child but only if i tell her to go play outside. I also sometimes see the companions going out of Jorravaskr in their "backyard" but thats it.

But even inside i noticed people are not really in their normal state. People who are also inside are not in the place they should be. For example, Belethor isn't usually at the counter and is instead walking around his shop alongside Sigrud (i think that was his name... The guy who works for Belethor), same could be said for Arcadia, she just walks around. The NPCs who are staying at the Bannered Mare are also not at the place they usually are. The guy who complains about the security in Whiterun is not sitting besides the fire, Hulda is never in her counter, Mikael is never singing, even the carriage guy from the stables is there and Saadia is just walking around while... Breniun is cooking for her? Everyone else is probably staying at their homes while moving around it.

Basically, everyone is staying at their homes as if its a lockdown or its raining dogs on fire outside ( 5 cookies for people who get the refrence) and everyones daily routine seems to be disabled or something.
I haven't checked anywhere else yet, but i still made this. Whiterun looks pretty deserted.

I will put my mod list from Mod Manager if you guys need it.

EDIT: I would like to test things myself by narrowing my mods down but I think i will look for help first and see if this is already a known problem that people can fix.

If it's night time they stay home.

[Meme Lord Stranger]

Originally posted by vinrusso58:

Originally posted by Stranger:

I recently just came back from the Abandonded Shack that Astrid kidnaps you. After I... Dealt with her, I fast traveled to Whiterun and was just walking around doing the usual stuff.
Go store items in Breezehome, visit my child and husband, go sell useless loot at Belethors etc.

Then when i started going to the cloud district as i often do, i noticed something was wrong.
Where is everyone...?

None of the citizens in Whiterun are outside, not even the shopkeepers at the marketstands. The only ones who are outside are the guards, Vignar Gray-Mane, Eorlund Gray-Mane, my husband (i downloaded a mod that gives spouses a daily routine) and my child but only if i tell her to go play outside. I also sometimes see the companions going out of Jorravaskr in their "backyard" but thats it.

But even inside i noticed people are not really in their normal state. People who are also inside are not in the place they should be. For example, Belethor isn't usually at the counter and is instead walking around his shop alongside Sigrud (i think that was his name... The guy who works for Belethor), same could be said for Arcadia, she just walks around. The NPCs who are staying at the Bannered Mare are also not at the place they usually are. The guy who complains about the security in Whiterun is not sitting besides the fire, Hulda is never in her counter, Mikael is never singing, even the carriage guy from the stables is there and Saadia is just walking around while... Breniun is cooking for her? Everyone else is probably staying at their homes while moving around it.

Basically, everyone is staying at their homes as if its a lockdown or its raining dogs on fire outside ( 5 cookies for people who get the refrence) and everyones daily routine seems to be disabled or something.
I haven't checked anywhere else yet, but i still made this. Whiterun looks pretty deserted.

I will put my mod list from Mod Manager if you guys need it.

EDIT: I would like to test things myself by narrowing my mods down but I think i will look for help first and see if this is already a known problem that people can fix.

If it's night time they stay home.

*facepalm*

You think I'm stupid enough to not know that?

[Meme Lord Stranger]

I fixed it everyone. No need to keep this thread alive now.