Man or Mer ?

[Cyber Diver]

So are Khajits Argonians and Orcs man or mer ?

[GrimCat]

Neither. They are the beast races. And Orcs are Mer. Thus the name Orsimer.

[Cyber Diver]

Originally posted by jimanity:

Neither. They are the beast races. And Orcs are Mer. Thus the name Orsimer.

Wow that response time

[Mr. Mannperson]

Elves and humans can have kids.
Elves and Orcs can theoretically have kids.
Humans and orcs can probably have kids (orcs are an offshoot of altmer I think)
Bretons are half-elves from inter-species breeding.

Argonians are weird lizard people and lay eggs. Too nasty and physicologically-different, and confirmed by a book to be incompatible I think.
Khajiit screw khajiit, and a cat is fine too. House cats are a race of khajiit.

[ARmodder]

Originally posted by Mr. Mannperson:

Humans and orcs can probably have kids (orcs are an offshoot of altmer I think)

Sounds like someone could get.....hurt!

[Mr. Mannperson]

Originally posted by ARmodder:

Sounds like someone could get.....hurt!

I'll bet 100 septims Uthgerd could take that big green sausage. She has more testosterone than Farkas and Vilkas combined!

[Dutchgamer1982]

There are a few progenitor races, there seem to be at least 7 seperate creations, 1 of them mer, 2 man.. mer seems to be an older creations.

Progenitor 1 : Aldmer (mer) -> created on aldmeria
-> Maomer (exiled from aldmeria, adapted)
--> Sininestal Mer (maomer who emigrated to Yokudo, adapted)
-> Altmer (emigrated from aldmera, adapted)
--> Chimer (altmer who were exiled, adapted) -> dunmer (chimer who got cursed)
--> Dwemer (altmer who adopted a drastical different lifestyle, adapted)
--> Aylids (altmer who emigrated to the mainland, adapted)
---> Bosmer (aylids who adopted a drastical different lifestyle, adapted)
---> Orsimer (aylids who got cursed)
---> Falmer (aylids who adapted to life in the cold)
---> bretons (mixed ofspring of aylids and nemes)

Progenitor 2 (???) (man 1) -> created on akavir
-> Yokudo (the refugees from the akivari continent who adpated
--> Redguard (yokudo who adapted to life in hammerfell after yokudo sank below the waves)

Progenitor 3 : Nemes (man 2) -> created on nemeria
-> Nord (nemes who adapted to life in skyrim by becoming weaker)
-> giants (nemes who adapted to life in skyrim by becoming dumber)
--> imperials (nord who interbred with many races, mostly the bretons, remaining nemes and the redguards)

Progrenitor 4 : (????) (beast 1, also known as "Kin" races) -> unknown origin, but ancient lifeform, most likely as old or older than the mer, but not as old as man.
I suspect the amphibian lifeforms and reptilian lifeforms share a common ancestor, but it is possible they are seperate creations, or reptilians decend somehow from the dragons
-> dreugh (adapted to life in and around rivers)
-> argonians (adapted to life in swampy regions)
-> sload (adapted to life on islands and on the sea-shores)
**somewhere between this a branch split off and a more reptilian branch formed
-> Lamia, adapted to an more amphibious lifestyle looked snakelike
--> tseasci (possible sloat or lamia who adapted their dark magic and vampiric skills even further, took over the remaining humans on akavir, and now are some sort of walking snakes (I always imagine them as being guauld-like)


Progenitor 5 : (????) beast 2, also known as Kin, also unknown but ancient too, possible two distinct creations, but I group them as one here
-> (????) unknown ape-like race
--> Imga, apes who adapted to life in tamriels forests
--> Tang mo, apes who adapted to life on akavir
-> (????) unknown cat-like race
--> Khaiijt, adapted to jungle
--> Ka-po-tun, adapted to life on akavir, tiger-like
--> Limothyd, adapted to black march, fox-like


Progenitor 6 (???) ("Ken" or Goblinken) -> unknown origin, but a much earlier lifeform than the rest, had proper civilization with city's long before mer arived, and long before most of the beast had any)
-> Goblins (adapted to become smarter and weaker)
--> rieklins (goblins who adapted to the cold)
-> gremlins (adapted even more than goblins trading in strenght for intelligence)
-> ogres (adapted trading in intelligence for more strenght
(orsimer was founded and mostly build by them long before the 1st era, the fact the can be found everywhere on both continent shows they already were present before the man/mer races and before the sinking of yokudor when travel was still easier)

Progentor 7 : Dragons, created on akavir
(possible the ancestor to some of the reptilian races) and much older than Man, Mer, Ken or Kin.

Hist, the great unknow, they are ancient, even more ancient than dragons, are they the first creation? are they even morethan that? once they were everywhere now no longer (one can thank talos for that who cut many down0


Kamal, or snow deamons, are hard to place, possibly they are something like deadra and as such not created.

[Dutchgamer1982]

so while there are still many open gaps in the lore, that still have to be written, we at least know all mer come from the aldmer.. and man had 2 different creations...|

And we have Man, Mer, Ken and Kin to play with.
(though we have yet to recieve Ken races to play with)

*first tamriel was only inhabited by the hist, and dragons were created on akavir
*than were created the aldmer, however far from either continent
*while they were not yet there 2 Kin spieces and 1 Ken spieces were created, and started to spread out over both continents, but mostly without making firm settlements
(do note tamriel in those days still had massive forests everywhere and looked quite different)

*when the aldmer finally arrived at summerset island, it was already inhabited by the sload, and they drove them off conquering them, forcing them back to other islands. tamriel however was mostly unihabited as most Kin races lived in or around water, in black marsh or elswyre, and while the Ken races lived everywhere, they mostly lived in high rock.

*the aldmer spread out over all of tamriel, in multiple factions, though while they enslaved some beast, and hired Ken as servants (thats why goblins now know magic).. they mostly had little interest in black marsh and elswyre.. as such the Kin races on tamriel were mostly left alone.
(however the chimer were bad, they hunted the dreugh so much their civilization collapsed and they degenerated from inbreeding)

*so for the most part the mer were peacefull to the already present inhabitants, while they did live in high rock, orsimer was left to the goblinkin and for the most part mer and ken relations were ok. (handy servants.. and for the ken learning magic mutual beneficial)

*do note that over time the bosmer DID wage massive wars against the khaiit, over the khaiit crossing in valenwood forest and cutting their threes (but the other mer saw the bosmers obsession with that druid tie with trees as stupid, so they recieved little help from the other elves in this, still i'd say thats a legal dispute and the khaiit here were agressors0

*the chimer DID enslave argonians once they finally managed to make the argonians no longer enslave chimer, understandable payback, but I grand eventually it should be enough not?

*and during all this man was created on akavir and nemenia... two distict creations..

-and than the nemes arrived... in skyrim, and spreading out everywhere.. (in black marsh they remained the most pure... in other regions they adapted or were absorbed into other populations over time)..

-the falmer who lived with the mayority of this invasion originally were peacefull, selling them land alowing them space, but over time these slowly becoming nord people became more and more bold, their higher population numbers due immigration and birthrates, made them pressure to take more and more land, and over time they not even bothered asking or trading the falmer for it, let alone respecting it would they say no.
-the falmer and other mer races for this waged war on the nemes and other man races, and the elves due this treachory, made man a supressed race, not trusting them self-rule or power, unlike they allow the Kin and Ken races to have.

-over time sadly the nord defeated the falmer, and even defeated the aylids.. taking much control over mainland tamriel, exterminating many elven races (a bloody invasion nothing more)

-the aldmer retreated to summerset, many wars happend, not all provinces were so happy joining this empire, Ken suffered badly, man destroyed orsimer, by the time the orks were cursed, the city was empty and goblinken now live shatterd over the world without their once relative peace, selft governance and relative good status.. Likewise the Kin races not fared much better under man rule... many went extinct..

-the sload during this time sudderenly attacked... vampiricly feeding on man and mer alike.. causing vampirism to excist now on tamriel, the aldmer allowed some imperials on summerset island temporarely to battle them off together, many spieces died off during the plague the sload caused, under them many Mer and even more Kin races. (thats why we have no longer apes on tamriel, and the nemes are extinct now)

-while this was happening on tamriel, on the other side of nim, on akavir, the tsaesci took over the remaining humans there.. forcing them to yokudo... and what did they do there?
the yokudo bloody waged war to the sininstral mer already living there, driving them near extinction..

*than yokudo sank.. it is believed no sinestral mer survived that, but surviving yokudo fled to hammerfell..

-around the same time these refugees arived, the first akaviri invasions happend... those were battled off, and led to the founding of the blades (2d era)

(while imperials are mixblood with all races around... they for this reason have less redguard genes, due the redguard ariving after most races already had formed)

since than history is much better known...

[Dutchgamer1982]

So to go back to your original question :

Argonians are "Kin"
Khaiit are "Kin" but of different creation than the argonians
Orcs are "mer" and related to the altmer (even though they look a lot like Ken, but thats their curse)