"Add carbon dioxide to a planet's atmosphere to heat it up."

[_Soj_]

Edit by Dan:

This thread is about the climate simulation in Universe Sandbox ², the sequel to Universe Sandbox.

Now available at:
http://universesandbox.com/2

Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ deleted all their posts (making this thread hard to follow) after I removed a direct link to the video they posted that misrepresented climate science.

I since renamed the thread back to the original name (as I best remember), included their modified title below, and added this explanation.

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Modified post by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

[Topic Deleted Due To Mr. Dixon's Childish Censorship]

Boycott Dan Dixon and this forum.

Thank you.

Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ

[Dan Dixon]

We have a climate scientist on the team... we've done our homework.

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Without it our planet would be too cold... but now that humans are disrupting the balance by adding more... our planet is becoming too warm.

The evidence for human caused climate change is overwhelming...
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

"[The film linked above] was criticized by scientific organisations and individual scientists (including one of the scientists interviewed in the film and one whose research was used to support the film's claims). The film's critics argued that it had misused and fabricated data, relied on out-of-date research, employed misleading arguments, and misrepresented the position of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

[Dan Dixon]

There aren't very many climate scientists who have concluded otherwise as the evidence that our planet is warming and that it is because of human activity (notably the burning of fossil fuels) is overwhelming:
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

This also makes a similar point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

What is your belief exactly... That carbon dioxide isn't a greenhouse gas? That the levels of carbon dioxide aren't higher than they've been in thousands of years? That humans aren't the cause of the increased carbon dioxide?

[🌹Beefy Boi-o🌹]

Originally posted by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

Again, the REAL climate scientists are all on record about their findings, and if you just sat down and watched about the first two-thirds of now-famous BBC documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle", it should all make sense to you, not just because you are a scientist like me, but more because of what the data REALLY show (i.e. there WAS a warming trend up until about the early 2000's, but now we're actually in a cooling trend brought about by reduced solar output.) There is a quote by a famous scientist who sums it up perfectly by stating,

"The Sun is driving climate.  CO2 is irrelevant."  
                                           --Solar physicist Dr. Piers Corbyn

And contrary to what the fraud Al Gore says, rising CO2 levels in the atmosphere DO NOT correlate 1:1 with a rise in temperature. The rise in temperature is due to increased solar output and more water vapor in the atmosphere -- the most abundant greenhouse gas by far. But, here's the kicker: CO2 rise LAGS temperature rise by 800 years because, by far, the largest contributor to CO2 in the atmosphere is the ocean. It takes a LONG time to heat up and cool down. It absorbs CO2 during prolonged cooling trends, then releases it again during periods of warming. The warming occurs first, CO2 increase follows. So, the steady rise in CO2 we are still seeing today is from a long previous warming trend that was occuring 800 years ago !!

The whole argument about human-induced GLOBAL warming is a a FRAUD perpertrated by certain powers-that-be with very deep pockets who are hellbent on bringing the New World Order GLOBAL gov't into being by instituting a GLOBAL Carbon Tax. If you've got a GLOBAL tax, you need GLOBAL gov't to enforce it, right? The whole thing has been well-researched and there are MANY resources available that examine the political side. http://www.rense.com is a good place to start (and a daily read for me...).

And one of the ways they are trying to do this is by pinning rising CO2 levels on human activity, which is absurd as you will see. While it's true that CO2 continues to rise, it is NOT humans that are the cause. The human contribution is laughably small, and to be considered irrelevant, as stated by the professionals in this field. But even all the CO2 pumped into the atmosphere by the world's oceans is still nothing compared to the primary greenhouse gas, which is water vapor.

Again, it behooves you to become better-informed about all this so you don't look foolish. If you adhere to the human-induced global warming argument, you may be regarded by a growing number of people who are 'in-the-know' as part the disinfo/misinfo crowd that receives hefty sums for promulgating such lies, because the cost is miniscule to the NWO compared to their ultimate prize which is total control, in the form of world gov't dictated by them.....

Please goto school because carbon dioxide drives a hotter planet. Green house gases such as carbon dioxide could end life as we know due to the planet we live being too hot 4 us to live on.

[Dixon Ticonderoga #2]

Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, so it COULD heat up a planet. I'm not a scientist though, so much it does I do not know.

[Dixon Ticonderoga #2]

Originally posted by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

Originally posted by The ASAflyingman1900:

Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, so it COULD heat up a planet. I'm not a scientist though, so much it does I do not know.

Confirmation of Global COOLING underway...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-2415191-185A43E400000578-982_640x365.jpg

Please watch the video -- and get educated...

I'm not saying that Carbon Dioxide is the Main Cause of Global Warming/Whatever is happening. I am saying that it COULD BE POSSIBLE for Carbon Dioxide to heat a planet up, even if just a little.

[Dixon Ticonderoga #2]

Originally posted by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

NO WARMING For 19 Years! (even while CO2 levels continue to go up):

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/no_warming_for_19_years

Doesn't mean it isn't possible on other planets. Really, it is probably dependent on a bunch of stuff (stuff in planet's atmosphere, how close is the planet to the sun etc).

[Dan Dixon]

The evidence of human caused global warming is overwhelming:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
... that some people may try to immorally profit from it (or scare people with talk of carbon taxes) does not change the fact that human emissions of CO2 are warming the planet.

Originally posted by The ASAflyingman1900:

Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, so it COULD heat up a planet. I'm not a scientist though, so much it does I do not know.

You're totally right about CO2. It does heat up planets. The atmospheres of Mars and Venus are mostly CO2.

Don't let the other non-scientific claims sway you.

And more rebutals to the claims that have been made:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

And another list of points:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/06/top-ten-global-warming-skeptic-arguments-debunked

[Tyr]

Originally posted by Dan Dixon:

The evidence of human caused global warming is overwhelming:
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
... that some people may try to immorally profit from it (or scare people with talk of carbon taxes) does not change the fact that human emissions of CO2 are warming the planet.

Originally posted by The ASAflyingman1900:

Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas, so it COULD heat up a planet. I'm not a scientist though, so much it does I do not know.

You're totally right about CO2. It does heat up planets. The atmospheres of Mars and Venus are mostly CO2.

Don't let the other non-scientific claims sway you.

And more rebutals to the claims that have been made:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

And another list of points:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/may/06/top-ten-global-warming-skeptic-arguments-debunked

Global warming is a very slow process. It would take millions of years to heat up Earth to a tempeture that would make Earth not be habbitable. I am not saying that global warming isn't true, though I personally don't think its true but everyone has different opinions. But what I am saying is that global warming doesn't happen right after we make a C02 plant. It would happen gradually. We wouldn't be expiriencing it right now, but in the future. I am more of a fan of Global cooling, due to the ice caps getting larger. Here is the evidence: http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783 , http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/05/29/global-cooling-not-global-warming-doomed-the-ancients/

[Tyr]

But I do think Universe sandbox 2 does a good job at this either global cooling or global warming. Your team are doing great on this game, and that though it has a few bugs, I just like hitting Earth with space rocks. And placing moons is a little bit buggy. Think I reported that already, but not sure.

[Dan Dixon]

Originally posted by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

Good luck with your 'game'...

Thanks. Our simulation is based on what the science says... we have an astronomer and climate scientist and numerical physics developer on the team. Being true to reality is very important to me.

Originally posted by Permafrost inc.:

It would take millions of years to heat up Earth to a tempeture that would not be habbitable.

That's be nice if it was true, but it isn't. We only need to warm the Earth a few degrees Celsius to do a lot of harm... and at the current rate that will happen in less than 100 years.

http://xkcd.com/1379/

And that Forbes opinion article is without merit:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/29/no-new-data-does-not-blow-a-gaping-hole-in-global-warming-alarmism/#.VAjGW_ldUgg

[Tyr]

Originally posted by Dan Dixon:

Originally posted by Ł☼ςʞ'ϞŁ☼∂ᶑ:

Good luck with your 'game'...

Thanks. Our simulation is based on what the science says... we have an astronomer and climate scientist and numerical physics developer on the team. Being true to reality is very important to me.

Originally posted by Permafrost inc.:

It would take millions of years to heat up Earth to a tempeture that would not be habbitable.

That's be nice if it was true, but it isn't. We only need to warm the Earth a few degrees Celsius to do a lot of harm... and at the current rate that will happen in less than 100 years.

http://xkcd.com/1379/

And that Forbes opinion article is without merit:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/07/29/no-new-data-does-not-blow-a-gaping-hole-in-global-warming-alarmism/#.VAjGW_ldUgg

Well using my knowledge about snowball Earth, which I belive happened about 2 billion years ago, it took millions of years for it to cool of to the point where Earth was just an iceball, so I do belive this takes a few million years for the opposite effect. Like I said, I do not personnaly belive in global warming due to the poles getting larger, though I am not saying it isn't true, nor am I saying it can't happen. But from what my "Homework" has lead me to, I do think that Global cooling is happening more rapidly than global warming. But we have more things to be worried about, such as the asteroid 992 Apophis, which may hit the earth in 2032. Until after we determin it is safe or not, should we decide if global warming, global colling, or global nothing is happening.

[Tyr]

But you did get me with the Forbs magazine post. I didn't check its authentication, and there for didn't know that it wasn't true in some parts.

[Dan Dixon]

Originally posted by Permafrost inc.:

I am more of a fan of Global cooling, due to the ice caps getting larger.

The sea ice gets larger and smaller with the seasons every year. That it's expanding over a few month period is not evidence of global cooling.

The long term trend is that the sea ice is shrinking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfKQFcoAL_E

Declining Arctic sea ice: Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.
http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

Global warming is a much larger threat to humanity than Apophis, which if it is going to hit us in 2032, is something we have time to deal with.

[Tyr]

992 Apophis is a much larger threat than global warming, and if we have time to deal with Apophis, then we surely have enough time to decide if global warming is real or not and decide we have to do something about it. You just hurt your own side to the argument.

[Dan Dixon]

Global warming is real and already damaging our planet. Apophis is unlikely to be an issue and won't be for another ~20 years. That's why I said it was a lesser threat.