The New... Porn?

[WHITEFORCE ホワイトフォース]

I'm dumbfounded. What did she mean in the theme song when she said this? I can't stop thinking about it. Think... think... The New Porn... Porn causes demoralization... This game was an attempt at moralization? No, that can't be it, it's too incompetently written. God, this is driving me crazy.

[Unknown Samurai]

Pax meant the second definition for "Porn"
Which is:
"television programmes, magazines, books, etc. that are regarded as emphasizing the sensuous or sensational aspects of a non-sexual subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience."
Basically saying, "We're the hit new thing."

[Red Thread Games]

This question was recently addressed in another thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/721180/discussions/0/4702413158525009922/

The answer given there was the following:

“The new porn” is a phrase that, in this context, means “a new cultural obsession or a popular trend, to the point where it becomes widely consumed and addictive”. "The new born" are Anomals. What this song is trying to say is that “Anomals are new(born), and everyone’s obsessed with them”.

[AlfedTheTopHat]

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 verses on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

[Red Thread Games]

Originally posted by AlfedTheTopHat:

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 versus on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

[WHITEFORCE ホワイトフォース]

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

Originally posted by AlfedTheTopHat:

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 versus on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

They had access to a rhyming dictionary and still chose to rhyme "porn" with "newborn?" lol

[Adriael]

Originally posted by Flat Arthur:

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

They had access to a rhyming dictionary and still chose to rhyme "porn" with "newborn?" lol

Which ended up being failure behaviour

[Chrille 🎃]

Originally posted by Flat Arthur:

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

They had access to a rhyming dictionary and still chose to rhyme "porn" with "newborn?" lol

Yea it makes it even more dumb hahaha.

[P1nkLem0n4d3]

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

Originally posted by AlfedTheTopHat:

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 versus on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

I guess what is odd about it is that it isn't really the same word being used repeatedly back to back, but rather it is parts of the word (dust-born, airborne, newborn, instead of just born, born, born or dust-born, dust-born, dust-born) leading into the other word, and then going back out to born again. Like yes there are multiple meanings, but they are also somewhat different words, so it doesn't really have that "adding and adding" effect that the type of rhyme scheme would have as the lyrics pile up.

I recently listened to Logic's newest album Ultra 85, and he has a song "Peace Love and Positivity" whereby he uses a specific word and repeats it over and over again, but it's to really pile up the impact that specific word has both in his own life as well as other lives both in the present and in the past, while also showing how it refers to different people in his own life, as well as what that word specifically means to him and his experiences growing up. It really adds to the drama of the song in a way that elevates it.

Kind of like the first and second verse in between the bridge, is what most repeated rhyming schemes are: "we look just like you, we're nothing like you" or "we walk among you, we're right behind you" but in this context, "you" has basically one meaning throughout. So it makes the use of born stand out, which fine, but when it does stand out, it makes that one word stand out like a sore thumb.

I mean other than the actual lyrical meaning of course... which for a lyric that's pretty out there, it's also going for a "new trend" type of meaning, it comes off as a particularly odd choice to make because the lyric stands out but it also represents, the band not doing that and becoming the "new norm."

And I get the artistic choice, but I don't think that means that all the music should just "sound bad" to a point. I mean, the guitar hero-esque parts should still be fun, the music, although it does need a rough edge to it, should still be somewhat good to where it can still have some sort of value preserved in the song.

I remembered during the Bioshock Infinite Credits whereby after the song was performed, the song was performed a bit "too perfect" and so they said to perhaps start the song with just random guitar picking, or change how the singing started, or change the tempo to be slightly off, or slow down or rubato in certain parts of the song, take time for both the singer and the guitarist to sync together, maybe even sing or play the guitar a little less perfect, etc... but to take those liberties in a way to where, the song itself is still being preserved in a sense while still not sounding like a "professional studio session" for the sake of making the performance feel more authentic and perhaps more representative of the character's educational backgrounds.

Another example is Life is Strange True Colors when Alex and Steph are playing music. It's a different approach, but basically the game displays and represents their imagination filling in the blanks while they're performing to make it so that the music itself was still good, but it wasn't exactly perfect, but there was an external factor to the whole thing to where it didn't break or had the audience in disbelief that they were "so good" that it almost doesn't make sense that they don't have a music career or involvement in music within their own lives on a performative standpoint.

Not to say that either of those examples are applicable to Dustborn, but I'm just saying that there are certainly ways to make music sound more amateur while still making the music sound good. After all, it's not what is perfect, but rather what is not perfect that makes music more relatable and more human in a sense.

[gay rat dad]

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

Originally posted by AlfedTheTopHat:

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 versus on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

i feel emberassed for you. I can't believe a government paid you clowns.

[Red Thread Games]

Originally posted by P1nkLem0n4d3:

Not to say that either of those examples are applicable to Dustborn, but I'm just saying that there are certainly ways to make music sound more amateur while still making the music sound good. After all, it's not what is perfect, but rather what is not perfect that makes music more relatable and more human in a sense.

Thanks for your thoughtful comments!

While we don't believe the music in Dustborn sounds bad, we totally respect your point of view and criticisms. There's room for improvement — mechanically, musically and lyrically. We'll look into the mechanics in a future update, to see if there's anything we can improve. The music and lyrics are harder to update, but we'll keep your feedback in mind!

[RetroVaquer0z]

Originally posted by Red Thread Games:

Originally posted by AlfedTheTopHat:

It's just a bad rhyme. 4 versus on the chorus, 3 of them end would "born", the 4th one ends with porn. It's like whoever wrote it couldn't think of any other words that rhyme with "born".

While we're not going to claim that the songwriting in Dustborn is in any way professional grade (it's not supposed to be; Pax's band is a bunch of amateurs), this is a technique known as "repeated rhyme", where the same word is used over and over to mean different things. Our writers, like "real" songwriters, had access to a rhyming dictionary; this was a creative choice. Again, this isn't about quality or the absence of — that's a very different discussion! — but about intentionality. It was done on purpose, for a reason.

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These are all the words your "REAL" musicians had to choose from and they choose porn...
Yeah it really shines a light the type of people ya work with

[Raptor]

I wonder what she meant by "Your kind wont last"

[holdingsix]

Originally posted by Shrek The Ogre:

oh i'm sure he'll have some half witted based in morality innocuous response to dismiss the obviously genocidal under tones of that statement made in a game enveloped in political extremism

What is the group of people that would be subject to this genocide and how do you justify this claim based on evidence from the game?

[andrew.blackledge]

Originally posted by Shrek The Ogre:

It's literally an indoctrination tool to political extremism.... but oh I forgot they claim to be the *good guys* so its okay!

duh don't you know i'm in the high tower of morality so I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO BE EXTREME LOL

Yes 😇 That's what makes it a great and much-needed game, actually.

[knarflook]

No amount of subtext, metaphor, or any kind of mental gymnastics can excuse you rhyming of "new porn" with "newborn".