Honestly the hero forge mini builder is TOO EXPENSIVE

[Nylinth]

Honestly the hero forge mini builder is too expensive. 8 buck a piece for not even the stl but the right to use. That price needs to come down. As a DM making the characters I'd like sounds great and it takes a load off talespire devs. But 8 dollars a pop. what if i want 10 different custom minis that's 80 bucks. That's way more then buying talespire. Sure if you need one it's not the worst but already i had 2 planned then a vampire later and a wizard. a king. you see where this is going. the hero forge update sounds good on paper but i can't even use it as a recommendation to buy the game.

Hey friend wanna buy a table top sim. OH you can also make custom minies.

that's cool.

but that cost extra.

Oh. You mean like DLC?

No. You have to pay for each mini. It's no big deal like 8 bucks a mini.

man that's like going out and buying the real thing!

See sounds dumb doesn't it. that price needs to be like 1 dollar or 2 at most. Then I'll make like 10 minis and they get there money down the road a cheaper mini means more money in there pocket and the easier to recommend talespire to other people. And to be clear i'm not afraid to spend 8 bucks. I Just won't pay 8 for one mini

[Jector]

Origineel geplaatst door TheLegendaryCommander:

I am dissatisfied with a product and I'm letting them know.

Yeah, and talking to the wrong company about it.

Using your car analogy; you're complaining that Ford made a car that runs on ethanol but the ethanol at the Texaco costs more than you want to pay. Then you ignore the listed solutions to the problem (pool resources to get cheap ethanol as a group, make your own ethanol, wait until ford's ethanol service comes out). You're not here looking for a fix, you're here to complain that someone isn't fixing it exactly how you want it.

[Rick]

Origineel geplaatst door TheLegendaryCommander:

You're telling me to be happy with what i got. But ignore what it should have been. If the world thought your way we'd still be using flint lock pistols. Hey we made you a gun don't ask for a magazine just be happy. Hey we built a car it takes 1 gallon of gas to go 1 mile. Don't ask for 40 miles to the gallon. No. Everyone has a right to look at the cost of those minis and saying yeah this was a pointless endeavor on their part.

you come in here telling me I'm wrong because you're ignorantly happy. I'm not ignorantly happy. I am dissatisfied with a product and I'm letting them know. I like talespire just think they wasted effort on the hero forge link but stop shilling for either company. They are a company here to make a product for your money.

You aren't asking for a better gun, you're complaining to the gun manufacturer that you have to pay for a special kind of ammunition to use in the gun you purchased.
You aren't asking for better mileage, you're complaining to the car manufacturer that premium gas is too expensive.
You aren't asking for a better game, you're complaining about an optional feature that allows you to purchase something outside of the game and transfer it into Talespire.

And no, I'm not "ignorantly happy." I have no interest in the HF minis because of their cost. But I don't come in here whining to Bouncyrock because they bothered to add a feature that people have been demanding. I'm glad they listen to their customers, and it doesn't matter that the feature is meaningless to me.

Origineel geplaatst door TheLegendaryCommander:

that price needs to be like 1 dollar or 2 at most.

Stop acting entitled to a 87.5% discount. HF decides their prices, go whine at them, not Bouncyrock.

[T. K. Bold]

If you can handle the immediate monetary hit, I do highly recommend getting the Pro+ subscription for HeroForge. You get five credits a month, which roll over into following months, and each credit is good toward a digital mini regardless of size. (Though two-figure setups need two credits, which seems like total BS to me. IT'S A DIGITAL FILE!!) Those files are good for whatever program that can accept them, not just TaleSpire. So if you use Tabletop Simulator or Harpy in addition to Talespire, you can use them there as well.

There's also the 12-month subscription. If you know you're gonna use all 60 credits through the year, you basically get 42 additional free digital minis, for the equivalent price of 18 digital minis... plus five free figures per monthly bonus pack. So if you know you're gonna go hard into TaleSpire/Heroforge, it's probably the best deal you can find right now.

[luc.paquin6]

its can be 3$ eatch unique mini if you subscribe for a 15$ a month pro deal but you are limited to 5 minis a month with this system credit. For players how want making their character this is ok. But for Gm like me how want to make their rosters growing up its a little bit clunky. I take the 3 month subscriptions to cut some slack and not pay 180 $ in one shot and this give me 15 credit for my first 3 month .With it i paid 7 pre made packs for getting basic monsters (35 minis), Made a characters with the 2 characters in one stand who cost me 2 credits ( pay 2 credit for 1 minis is ridiculous but pass.) and take the rest to make 6 useful mini-boss for my first story on talespire. This not bad at all and cost me 45$ box.( i make the mistake to take a pack before subscribing and this was random but that was the free one the month i have subscribed .this is my bad.)

On the other side if next time they don t make new interesting pack ( they are very slow to make new ones they have just make something like 12 right now) i have 15 credit to make the same amount if characters IF i not taking some characters on mount or use the 2 charcacter slat to make weird big monsters or team minis. !5 new characters seem big but for 3 month of play...We will say 2 news npcs/monsters per session its make 4 new minis. Tale us that we make 4 session a month it not bad but a little short....

They can just have reduce the price of eatch minis to a 2.50 $ entry and drop the pro suscription or make the same kind of deal with no grindingwith the managing credit think .
Something like a minimum of 30$ bank for 10 minis and for thanking you for your investement lets you make all the minis you want for 3 dollars eatch for one year.... Its was will be more flexible and a win win solution.

[Church]

Origineel geplaatst door TheLegendaryCommander:

See I think you are missing a important fundamental. They did all this for clout. To sell more talespire copies. You don't think they have a say in that price. I guarantee they do. And if they don't, they could. It's super easy to pull this feature and hero forge would make no further money. They put effort into something. You don't put effort in something no one will ever use. They have a much more direct ear to the hero forge guys then you or I. Letting them know this wasn't worth it does two things. Allows them to tell hero forge hey you need to lower the price my people aren't happy and the other is to let them know such endeavors may not be worth the effort and to focus elsewhere. Rather then argue with me. Let them know this wasn't worth it at the least. When i told 4 people about having to pay for ingame mini and it was $8 they said screw that noise. Before they knew it cost so much, or at all. They were hyped.

That price already existed beforehand, it's not right to use exclusively in TaleSpire, its multiple TTG's and has been $8 for years.

[T. K. Bold]

They actually just put out a Digital Credit thing from what I can see, where you can buy 5 credits for 20 dollars ($4 per mini), 15 credits for 50 ($3.33 per mini), or 60 credits for 180 ($3 per mini).

Better than $8 a pop.

[luc.paquin6]

You right ,but why blocking the customer with the entry point with the credit system ? You have to pay as a one shot deal the get acces for your credit. If you don'T have the money right now you cannot have acces to this system.Worse if you take the 3 months credits system you cannot put the rest of the money to upgrade after for the 1 year subscription deal. This is ridiculous.

If they can afford to give you 60 credit for one year ( a minimum of 60 minis if you don't take any minis pack at 1 credit ) Why they just frustreted people and said to them implicitely'' you are not rich and can pay right now 180 $ ? GO $?$/?$/? yourself and pay 7.99 eatch minis. You have a big wallet ? thanks you ,your grace .For you it will be 3$ the minis + one free pack of 5 minis eatch month ( so 60 more minis free!)

It will be logical ,if not greedy that they use this system to make somes found to stuff like a kickstarter as a new compagny but they are there for years now and make already a lot of money + they are not real minis they are virtual for god sake ! can take something like 10 minis for 79.99 $ on one year (just imagine that i don t have like many people 180$ to front in a one shot deal like many people) or can get for the same price the new baldurrgate game on steam or have 10 pack of real wizkids minis (with 2 minis in eatch set) for the same amount that will ,if i am lucky endure a lifetime vs virtual data who can disepears in just a few years for a reason or another (heroforge close is databank, outdated technology ect ect... Do you not see that its make no sense ?

[Rick]

Once again, someone complaining to the wrong company about prices.

Origineel geplaatst door luc.paquin6:

If you don'T have the money right now you cannot have acces to this system.

That's how a business works, they make you pay for the product. If you can't afford their product, shop somewhere else or save up enough money to buy it.

Origineel geplaatst door luc.paquin6:

If they can afford to give you 60 credit for one year ( a minimum of 60 minis if you don't take any minis pack at 1 credit ) Why they just frustreted people and said to them implicitely'' you are not rich and can pay right now 180 $ ? GO $?$/?$/? yourself and pay 7.99 eatch minis. You have a big wallet ? thanks you ,your grace .For you it will be 3$ the minis + one free pack of 5 minis eatch month ( so 60 more minis free!)

Buying in bulk has always been cheaper because it's immediate income. That's how it has always been, whether you're buying dirt or diamonds, bulk purchases get a discounted rate.

Origineel geplaatst door luc.paquin6:

virtual data who can disepears in just a few years for a reason or another (heroforge close is databank, outdated technology ect ect... Do you not see that its make no sense ?

Download your files and back them up. Congratulations, you have them forever.
STLs are already considered outdated by some, but if you're going to buy a 3D printer, find one that uses STLs. Congratulations, your problem is solved.
If you're worried about importing to TaleSpire, don't be. I really doubt TaleSpire is going to rewrite thier entire modeling code to exclude Unity3D and all the other file types Unity supports.

Oh, and if you don't like the prices, you could always learn how to make your own models. Then they would be free forever!
Either gain the skill to do something yourself, or pay someone else to do it for you. That's how life has always been.

[luc.paquin6]

Wow! you are very aggresive Tell me you don't like what i say politely is ok but treat me like if i was dumb is purely inapropriated .This is just a chat man,Did you own heroforge ? or are one of their chairman? or shareholder? why you are so blunt with me? DO you defuse your problem at home with a complete stranger ? I am not your therapist my friend. People are there to give their opinion not to be blasted for....nothing. So I perfectly know how its works in this world ,thanks. You seem to be a intelligent man(i am not ironic) just act like it ,Just relax ,take a walk or sit and take a cofee before writing..I just say that in my eyes virtual contents of all origins ( STL, virtual copy of videogames and dlc ,pay to win platform or the stupid chainblocks scam for exemples are overpriced vs what we get most of the time .heroforge enter this category with their virtual products for me .That all ,end of the story. THe earth is still there.....

The internet is a big farwest and heroforge is one of its beautiful ( and useful of course as a tool) snakeoil saleman. They have good medicine for you and its work ,but at the price of somes bad side effects and a hefty price. No one force me to buy it if i don't like it. You are right about this but there is are no real good doctor to replace them in this vast wasteland and they know it they take a maximum of profit on the people because they can do it and this is bad .I don't want them to hang themself but i am not please they take us for naive bloated moneybag. that all . You can if you want don't agree with what people say or think ,and of course argue about it but implicitly insulting the intelligence of other people because your are not please with what they write is low. and childish and have no place in this forum ...or anywhere else. that said ,with all my sincere salutation have good and peaceful life brother.....

[Yinan]

Origineel geplaatst door TheLegendaryCommander:

It's super easy to pull this feature and hero forge would make no further money.

The error in your thinking is that you believe that Hero Forge made no money before TaleSpire... which is simply wrong. They don't really care that much about TaleSpire.
Sure, they probably get some more orders now, but I highly doubt that it's even close to enough that the DEVs of TaleSpire have any influence over the pricing.

As others have said, you're speaking to the wrong people here. You'll have to take this discussion to Hero Forge and not here.

[Rick]

Origineel geplaatst door luc.paquin6:

Wow! you are very aggresive Tell me you don't like what i say politely is ok but treat me like if i was dumb is purely inapropriated...
People are there to give their opinion not to be blasted for....nothing...
...implicitly insulting the intelligence of other people because your are not please with what they write is low. and childish and have no place in this forum ...or anywhere else.

Never once did I demean, attack, or insult you. I addressed every point you made, and you decided that my not agreeing with you was an attack.

It's ironic to me that in the same post where you complain about being "attacked" you say things like this.

Origineel geplaatst door luc.paquin6:

DO you defuse your problem at home with a complete stranger ? I am not your therapist my friend.
...low. and childish...

Maybe you should reflect on how you talk to others before playing the victim.

[McGarnagle]

whoever gave the clown award for this honest concern is the real clown
edit: i agree tho, it's only a digital version why does it cost so much?

[Knight Lamune]

Can someone who's done it explain the process to use custom minis? I just learned about this from a Hero Forge email and I'm curious how it integrates.

So you need to buy the digital download off HF. Ok. So that's the price people are complaining about right? Do you then import the STL somewhere?

Does that mean one could use other STLs that are made not from Hero Forge at some point?
There are like a half-dozen Hero Forge knockoffs now to create custom STLs, all of Thingiverse, or just those that know how to model themselves. That opens up an amazing amount of options in the future, if that future might be on the dev schedule.

[Roknar]

people have already been importing minattures. There are several tutorials on youtube even.
we just can't do terrain....yet

[[ATS] Mercnet]

You are buying an STL file. It is more than just a mini for TS, you can use in many VTT apps as well as print them out for real life sessions.