TaleSpire

TaleSpire

Clover Creepy Girl™ 2021 年 12 月 29 日 上午 10:27
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'Player' version
I'v played around with this alot as a DM and it has a lot of great features for building maps and terrain, its fantastic for it. the BIGGEST issue I have, and most people I talk to that havent bought it have, is the price. For a DM the price is perfectly fine, you expect to invest, but for players who are just going to use it to play the game its a steep ask, especially considering how often campaigns fall through.

What I'm suggesting is a player version, one that is stripped back, without any of the map creation features, just something that can be used to get into their DMs game and play a game, then if they like it and want to use it to DM themselves, they can upgrade at a discount.

I'm not suggesting FREE, but something like 5-10$
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Explicable 2022 年 1 月 10 日 下午 10:48 
This 1000X. They really missed the mark with this pricing model. Most software/products like this make the host pay for it and the additional players either pay less, or play for free. It's not worth it for me to have to buy 5/6 copies to host a DnD game. Thats just insane.
Fuzzy Images 2022 年 1 月 11 日 上午 12:18 
I'd like to just see maybe a demo version that is basically this. I kinda want to see what it can do myself with a friend before I put in the money. I know that $25 is like half the price of a single game book, but still it feels like a bit of a risk to try an convince others toward when there is no way for them to at-least check it out. Or at-least have the Demo mode just be like the players view mode that just allows for dice rolling.
illuvius32 2022 年 1 月 15 日 下午 3:41 
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I see your point. To be honest, I could even see spending a bit more for expanded functionality. So I don't think a party of 6 would 20 bucks apiece, but maybe an expanded DM package where you could do up to 5 or 6 single player connections I might buy for 59.99. These sessions couldn't access the build menu, for example, but could pick up and move their pieces, check their hit points, etc.
Lunarhound 2022 年 1 月 25 日 上午 10:04 
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I'd enjoy a two-pronged approach that goes something like this:

1) Offer a free 'player' client that players can download that leaves out the DM features and just gives them the tools they need to play a game.

2) Allow DM's to purchase 'seats' for the DM client for a low price - let's say 5 bucks as an example. The DM client could come with one or two free seats so a small group is possible right out of the box.

Players who had downloaded the free player client could connect to any DM who has a free seat available.

Additionally, they would have the option of two upgrades to the free client:

1) A low priced one (I'm thinking 5 - 8 bucks) that would permanently allow them to "bring their own seat" and join a game in which the DM didn't have any more of their own seats available.

2) A 25 dollar upgrade to unlock the full program. If they had already purchased the "bring your own seat" version of the client, the full client would be discounted by the amount they paid for the smaller unlock.

Something like this would offer a lot of flexibility to both DM's and players. It'd give DM's who don't want to have to ask their players to make a purchase a way to make that investment themselves, and it'd give players who just want to play a couple ways of doing so, ranging from free to very cheap, not to mention acting as a potential preview of the full program that may get them interested in purchasing it.
Clover Creepy Girl™ 2022 年 1 月 25 日 上午 11:23 
If there was a player version that has no DM tools for 5$ each, I would 100% buy a copy for my players
Captain Bloba 2022 年 1 月 29 日 上午 6:05 
引用自 Lunarhound
I'd enjoy a two-pronged approach that goes something like this:

1) Offer a free 'player' client that players can download that leaves out the DM features and just gives them the tools they need to play a game.

2) Allow DM's to purchase 'seats' for the DM client for a low price - let's say 5 bucks as an example. The DM client could come with one or two free seats so a small group is possible right out of the box.

Players who had downloaded the free player client could connect to any DM who has a free seat available.

Additionally, they would have the option of two upgrades to the free client:

1) A low priced one (I'm thinking 5 - 8 bucks) that would permanently allow them to "bring their own seat" and join a game in which the DM didn't have any more of their own seats available.

2) A 25 dollar upgrade to unlock the full program. If they had already purchased the "bring your own seat" version of the client, the full client would be discounted by the amount they paid for the smaller unlock.

Something like this would offer a lot of flexibility to both DM's and players. It'd give DM's who don't want to have to ask their players to make a purchase a way to make that investment themselves, and it'd give players who just want to play a couple ways of doing so, ranging from free to very cheap, not to mention acting as a potential preview of the full program that may get them interested in purchasing it.
I think this is a great idea!
The_Professor 2022 年 2 月 1 日 上午 7:53 
Solid idea mate
Feldspar 2022 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:06 
..said the exact same thing earlier and something I just replied on. I'm genuinely concerned for the developers of this. Its a fantastic battle terrain utility, and having playable game mechanics is a bonus. However, players tend to expect a lot more out than they put in, to be brutally honest. They will see buying this as a gamble, if they consider it at all. If their GM burns out, or their group breaks up, they've made an investment in something they can no longer use unless by some miracle they find another GM AND another group of players that all have TaleSpire purchases. Not likely.

I presume the business-end managers are thinking something along the lines 'we'll sell 5 time more units for 5 times gross profit this way' but in reality what they may get is 1/5 the expected sales for a big red loss.

Highly recommend you guys consider a stripped down player only version that is super cheap, as in $10 at most.
最后由 Feldspar 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 12 日 上午 8:07
Eiven 2022 年 2 月 14 日 下午 1:35 
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I'd like to mention this piece of software history:

In the 90's Adobe published their "Acrobat" and their "Acrobat Reader". The first was a pricy, but powerful editor, the second was a free viewer. Without that twofold approach -pay for the editor, but get the viewer for free- the PDF format would never have been that successful.
Very soon all sort of published documents were in the PDF format. Needed to read them? No problem, you could get the reader easily. Wanted tp get into publishing documents everyone could read? You had to buy the editor!

As a consequence, the PDF format is not only still around after like 30 years, but also is kind of an industry standard.

I think Talespire would profit a lot from the same or a similiar approach.
fiordhraoi 2022 年 2 月 16 日 上午 7:58 
Honestly, I'd even be fine purchasing "seats" at full price, if I could keep them all centralized. I'd drop $125 extra (so $150 total) on a tool if I knew I could use it to run a 5 player game at any time, because I get to keep the seats tied to my copy.
Clover Creepy Girl™ 2022 年 2 月 16 日 上午 10:19 
引用自 Medicus
I found the price quite alright. It offers a lot, also for the player. Once they implement inventory system and gaming cards you can play everything in it like in TableTopSimulator.

You are literally saying that it is wroth 25$ for a bit of software that, for a table of a DM and 4 players, it costs a total of $125 and for the players all they get is a map they can move stuff around. And you say that is okay because in the future there MIGHT be content that would make it SOMEWHAT like a bit of software that already exists, and will always be better in terms of content and price then this?

Are you high?


As far as buying seats at full price, I wouldnt do that. That is way too expensive of a ask for the DM who already has to spend a large amount of time and money in general to beable to run games.
Ontop of that, it would not be feasable, they wont let people download the game for free, even if they cant use it without paying, because thats how people hack the game to bypass paywalls.
Jector 2022 年 2 月 16 日 下午 1:56 

You are literally saying that it is wroth 25$ for a bit of software that, for a table of a DM and 4 players, it costs a total of $125 and for the players all they get is a map they can move stuff around.

It's still 25$ *PER PERSON*. That's IF you want every individual to have it, as opposed to having a couple players get it and stream to the rest. That's IF they can't, somehow, manage the price of a dinner ONCE for software to use FOREVER.

"Me and all my friends want to go to this movie but it would cost us $125!"

Are YOU high? Who measures the cost of something by combining all the buyers who want the thing and listing the total as if that's the cost? If you buy TS and play it for 4 hours, you came out ahead on hour per dollar vs a DVD or 3 trips to a coffee shop. The histrionics some of you have over a game that's the price of a t-shirt is peak entitlement.
最后由 Jector 编辑于; 2022 年 2 月 16 日 下午 1:58
Clover Creepy Girl™ 2022 年 2 月 16 日 下午 6:02 
You are assuming quite alot about people's income and what they can and can not afford.

Again I point to roll20, which is completely free to use for both players and DMs, and only has a cost value if you want to unlock additional features.

"Are YOU high? Who measures the cost of something by combining all the buyers who want the thing and listing the total as if that's the cost? If you buy TS and play it for 4 hours, you came out ahead on hour per dollar vs a DVD or 3 trips to a coffee shop. The histrionics some of you have over a game that's the price of a t-shirt is peak entitlement."

The person before you LITERALLY said that one person should be able to buy 'seats' for the full price and hand them out to players when needed, which is EXACTLY what I priced out. Maybe you need some reading comprehension.
Jector 2022 年 2 月 17 日 上午 8:52 
Roll 20 is 2D and runs in a browser, so not really an equivalent comparison, frankly.

My reading comprehension is fine, I even quoted you LITERALLY combining the prices of 5 players and listing $125 as the price point like it wasn't shared among several users.

TS is dirt cheap compared to the time you would spend in it. It's below the price of most games. It's equivalent to one meal out.

It's not that people can't afford it. It's that they want something for free.
Clover Creepy Girl™ 2022 年 2 月 17 日 下午 3:53 
I blocked them, and yet they keep responding in the most antagonistic way they can. I love steam forums.
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