WHEN to upgrade to new armor/weapons?

[Sticky White Stuff]

So i finally beaten deaths destination and everything is altered.
I have been using the Saw Blade from the Skeletons (I am doing a normal Sword Playthrough) after upgrading from my normal Sword. Also using starter armor with the Grapefruit helmet, which looks a bit silly IMO and the Percival's Coat which also doesn't look fashionable. Now i have two choices. Sauna Gear or Traveler Gear (Guard Gear is too much expensive) And i have found the Fire Poker which acts as a Sword and i can enchant it with Bleed Damage. I also have that Reaper Scythe, but since i don't use Halberds, it's kinda useless to me ATM.

Should i just wait it out more and get better weapons and armor, or should i just upgrade now and carry on? Also, there isn't any hat that fits any of the armor set colors, so it really looks a bit weird. I am all for fashion and full armor sets or 2x2 like i was in Bloodborne.

[Sokurah]

You mean the guardian and you are now in the other "time line" or whatever?

I went for the guardian armor very early.

If you want a cool sword like weapon go to the flooded area early on.

[crystalgatedh]

Guard gear does not just cost much, it also makes every move cost a lot more stamina. I do not like it personally, but it does provide a good defense.

The defense stat is generally not that great unless you get a good amount of it. The rule of thumb is, the more defense you have, the more useful even more defense is. This is opposite of attack where for example getting five more attack matters less if you already have 150 of it than if you just have 30 of it.

Switch to another armor set, there is no reason to stay with Vigil gear other than looks. Personally, I prefer Percival set among the early available armor, but if you don't like the looks, then feel free to go with something else. However, if you want to go for usefulness, I'd suggest you look at secondary effects like bonus stamina and bonus health, that will early on matter far more than defense. Cooldown reduction is not that great though, so I'd pass up on Sauna Gear. Also, it's safe to upgrade armor to at least +3, you get a ton of shimmering stones.

I'd say, pick the traveler set and +3 it in following order; coat, boots and finally gloves. This is safe to do as the cost will end up negligible. You can also take the coat to +6, triangular shimmering stones takes longer to become massively available, but 3 of them is not that bad. I would not take the boots and gloves to higher than +3 though. Again I would have went for Percival set, but if you don't like it, feel free to skip it.

[Sokurah]

You lvl up very fast. You find much ore. I'm on hard and a long time didnt know you can upgrade armor.

Just lvl up stamina recovery and so on.

Game still is a breeze most of the time.

Dont think these things thru too much just play 😉

[Sticky White Stuff]

Yeah, the other timeline. I upgraded the Traveler Set and Fire Poker with Bleed Damage, it's a bit easier now. I just need to find a proper Helmet/Cloak that goes with the armor now. Currently i am at the Depressing Forest, went that because it was the opposite of everything quest related thati currently have. Maybe i will find something useful there and head back on. I am playing on hard so some things kill me in two or three hits, depending on the enemy. My specilaziation is sword + base skills ATM.

[Sokurah]

go in the treetops. There are good things to find.
Do you have double jump already?

But really i would say the game is not that hard.
You lvl up and get strong fast.

Also that weapon i found has a strong magic range attack that i can use everytime it gets a bit close

[Ghost-Tank]

I think I waited til I had the Golden EQ, Ancient Vigilant Axe, Staff of Holy Six, and maybe Mechanical Bow before I did forge and enchant on anything. Now I'm at least doing forge on most of my EQ since I have tons of money (currently over 400,000), except some things with negative stats get the negative stuff worsened while improving other stats. I think "stamina cost" is the only thing you want negative and I haven't seen that stat affected by forging. So those things (such as most Scarlet EQ with minus attack % or White Raven Claws with minus Stamina Recovery), I'll wait til I get doubles on a replay before I forge them. However enchanting should be fine. Of course I might have had an easier time with the giant frog boss if I upgraded stuff then.

[IT]

The lowest level of shimmer stones are plentiful enough you can waste them on weapons however you want. I would suggest to upgrade a handy weapon to +3 then wait for one with special move. In fact I haven't upgraded past +3 until Act3 (beating Guard send you to Act2). Focus on mastering one type of weapon and learn all the useful skill before moving to a secondary one.

As for armour, resistances are probably more important than poise and defence. Enemies hit hard enough that defence is usually not that significant and you are prone to being staggered. Potions are common and cheap enough you can just spam so status is more troublesome than pure damage. One thing I don't like is when an armour increase stamina consumption, particularly problematic when you are using daggers or bow, so just keep that in mind.

[Sticky White Stuff]

I started to upgrade them just before the plague incident, before the water/lake, etc.

However i want that black cloak i saw, however i can't find it.
it just isn't there.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870625788/FD0B19BD1ABCE46BDB260433584FB9C3548B258E/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870624832/5463B05968879D61FBC25635E1E5613B4EC98361/

On YT, someone actually showed the location of it, two guys actually. Has it been moved somewhere else? I defeated the poison guy there, but he didn't drop anything as far as i know.

Ah, it's a random drop.

[Sticky White Stuff]

What about the black feather mask, does the same guy drop it? Also why does it look oily, i tought it looked sleek like when the guy was wearing it.

[Sakhari]

Originally posted by GLUE:

What about the black feather mask, does the same guy drop it?

As I recall, the Black Feather mask is in a chest near the end of the Flooded Area, shortly before the boss.

As for the armor dropped by the hunter you've been looting, it all basically ends up having that weird oily purplish effect. Personally, I only ended up using the gloves as they aren't too distracting and their stats are worth keeping them on for.

If you're going for more of a stable black-ish look for the body, you're probably going to want to use something like Dephil's or the Raven's Coat instead.

[Sticky White Stuff]

Originally posted by Sakhari:

Originally posted by GLUE:

What about the black feather mask, does the same guy drop it?

As I recall, the Black Feather mask is in a chest near the end of the Flooded Area, shortly before the boss.

As for the armor dropped by the hunter you've been looting, it all basically ends up having that weird oily purplish effect. Personally, I only ended up using the gloves as they aren't too distracting and their stats are worth keeping them on for.

If you're going for more of a stable black-ish look for the body, you're probably going to want to use something like Dephil's or the Raven's Coat instead.

Thanks. Yeah, i thought it was some kind of texture shader bug or something when they were oily, i also got the sword he had which i am using right now. But coming to that site is a real pain in the A$$. Dash+Jump never works unless you use daggers, the best way is to just use a halberd and attack mid-air while dashing from a branch. They could have made that a lot easier. And yeah, i got the mask, thanks.

Also, Drew just dissapeared from my game, any reason why? I have progressed the quests as normal, and after i did, he never showed any interest. The only one i have remaining is the Lake, and the Lady is suspicious about the doctor yet i can't confront him.

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by GLUE:

Originally posted by Sakhari:

As I recall, the Black Feather mask is in a chest near the end of the Flooded Area, shortly before the boss.

As for the armor dropped by the hunter you've been looting, it all basically ends up having that weird oily purplish effect. Personally, I only ended up using the gloves as they aren't too distracting and their stats are worth keeping them on for.

If you're going for more of a stable black-ish look for the body, you're probably going to want to use something like Dephil's or the Raven's Coat instead.

Thanks. Yeah, i thought it was some kind of texture shader bug or something when they were oily, i also got the sword he had which i am using right now. But coming to that site is a real pain in the A$$. Dash+Jump never works unless you use daggers, the best way is to just use a halberd and attack mid-air while dashing from a branch. They could have made that a lot easier. And yeah, i got the mask, thanks.

Also, Drew just dissapeared from my game, any reason why? I have progressed the quests as normal, and after i did, he never showed any interest. The only one i have remaining is the Lake, and the Lady is suspicious about the doctor yet i can't confront him.

It is because you didn't check up with him after defeating each boss; if you beat the two bosses in a row without checking up on him at town, he likely dies and you failed the quest. https://vigilthelongestnight.wiki.fextralife.com/Homelessness

The wiki states that you have to make sure to talk to the doctor with each boss defeated before talking to Drew, but I tried talking to Drew and then the doctor after beating one boss at a time and it still works:

[Doesnotcompute83]

Originally posted by GLUE:

I started to upgrade them just before the plague incident, before the water/lake, etc.

However i want that black cloak i saw, however i can't find it.
it just isn't there.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870625788/FD0B19BD1ABCE46BDB260433584FB9C3548B258E/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870624832/5463B05968879D61FBC25635E1E5613B4EC98361/

On YT, someone actually showed the location of it, two guys actually. Has it been moved somewhere else? I defeated the poison guy there, but he didn't drop anything as far as i know.

Ah, it's a random drop.

Tara or the poison guy drops multiple equipment items, which means that you have to fight him multiple times. If you have gotten the thief's hand artifact from the flooded area, you can use it to steal one of his items per fight, which may be the cloak.

[Sticky White Stuff]

Originally posted by Doesnotcompute83:

Originally posted by GLUE:

I started to upgrade them just before the plague incident, before the water/lake, etc.

However i want that black cloak i saw, however i can't find it.
it just isn't there.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870625788/FD0B19BD1ABCE46BDB260433584FB9C3548B258E/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1756937144870624832/5463B05968879D61FBC25635E1E5613B4EC98361/

On YT, someone actually showed the location of it, two guys actually. Has it been moved somewhere else? I defeated the poison guy there, but he didn't drop anything as far as i know.

Ah, it's a random drop.

Tara or the poison guy drops multiple equipment items, which means that you have to fight him multiple times. If you have gotten the thief's hand artifact from the flooded area, you can use it to steal one of his items per fight, which may be the cloak.

Yeah, it's Tara, and i even got the Largh Blade. Which apparently increases damage as you kill enemies. Still not that powerful, but it might become so. It's at +7 right now, Armor is +6. I still don't know what some of the runes do. Like Curse Rune. I know what others rune do, however. But what type of damage is Curse?

I actually now need an Ocarina, cleared the catacombs and everything but didn't find any Ocarina anywhere for the Catacombs.

[DEMONICSLAYER]

I don't think there is ocarina in the catacombs. There are 4 ocarinas which you can use in the door below Nameless Tomb in the catacomb. The first ocarina will be received when you are in Act 1. There are 3 more. 2 more can be collected from completing quests. The last one I will need to reconfirm later.