Rivals and the Weary Detective...why?

[Phantom Mercenary]

Is there any practical reason to create a rival? I've never encountered a reason to create one. For that matter, the Weary Detective sucks so much at his job, there's no reason to kill him either,m much less drive him insane enough to become a rival. And since the Detective is the least effective hunter, its smarter to just leave him allow and attack evidence directly (or flood the board with Mysticism. Is there something I'm missing?

[Maina]

Recruiting rivals can get you powerful Followers that are otherwise unavailable, though the utility to this is fairly low unless you will be taking them to an Apostle run.

There is little reason to kill the Weary Detective unless you are otherwise out of options or you are playing an Edge Cult, who succeed at assassinations 100% of the time and, thus, murder is more reliable than dealing with evidence or notoriety.

[themonsterofthenet]

If you're playing apostle, the enemy Long can give him "upgrades" (meticulous/erratic/tenacious/idealist/grim/mystic). Otherwise, yeah...

[mhm_cake]

The rivals you recruit are essentially Exalts. However, you can obtain them with any cult, and they also have seven of an additional aspect making them great at many tasks. They're easily the most useful on runs with the Society of Saint Hydra, since you can't exalt anyone in that cult, but you can use any Lore and Tool to recruit them. They can be handy sometimes, but most of the time it just isn't worth it.

[Noble Turkey Stance]

"Laughs in Spencer Hobson"

Yes, you want to get rid of the Weary Detective eventually at Grail/Forge/Lantern runs. Whatever cult principle you're using, you really, and i mean REALLY want to have Spencer as your Apostle starting cultist.

10 Knock? Check. 90% chance burglary = pigments = unique paintings. Early paintings = early summons to plug enemy Long with and do stuff for you. Especially laughable as Forge apostle where with a bit of lucky RNG you can pull a King Crucible out of your ass thirty minutes in and laugh all the way to Port Noon. Oh, and forget about closed doors forever.

Secondary Moth aspect? Check. Watchers and monks gtfo. Evidence disappears. Angry pedantic accountants driven off in ambulances. Moth is the swiss army knife of follower lores.

In conclusion, yes. Get rid of your random Exalts (Yes, I'm looking at you, Rite Intercalate), kill everything else, rival Hobson and get him up to 4/7. Unless, you're doing the fancy DLC paths. Then disregard everything i wrote.

[iheartdaikaiju]

I mean I find it really rewarding to get their resentment to 0 and recruit them into my cult but that's really more of a personal challenge kind of deal, definitely not a help you through the game kind of deal.

[Teagana]

Originally posted by Maina:

Recruiting rivals can get you powerful Followers that are otherwise unavailable, though the utility to this is fairly low unless you will be taking them to an Apostle run.

There is little reason to kill the Weary Detective unless you are otherwise out of options or you are playing an Edge Cult, who succeed at assassinations 100% of the time and, thus, murder is more reliable than dealing with evidence or notoriety.

Wow. I have over 200 hours in this game, including 2 successful apostle victories, and I *never* knew that there were more follower options. I killed the weary detective once, and his replacement was worse, so never did so again.

I always assumed resentment, and by extension rivals, only existed to punish you for mistreating your followers.

[Ed1749]

Originally posted by Teagana:

I always assumed resentment, and by extension rivals, only existed to punish you for mistreating your followers.

Granted, using the rival system to exalt your off aspect followers is still just a party trick and little more. If you know your way around the game well enough to work the systems that well, you probably know how to cheese summons to the same or better effect with half the effort(Half Healed Fistula my beloved).