10 Moth Follower failure: Bug or not?

[Jade Kitsune]

Under normal circumstances, having 10 of a single aspect guarentees success for numerous actions. Cult business, expeditions, pretty sure unique paintings as well. But trying to destroy evidence using a single 10 Moth follower still results in failure a noticeable amount of times. It's not rare to fail to destroy evidence, despite the follower's power.

Now, I can see the merit of capping the chance to destroy evidence at 70%. Wouldn't want to make the game TOO easy and such. But as I see it, there's no point to using anything but 5 Moth hirelings or summons to even try to deal with evidence. There's no benefit to using Exalted Moth followers for evidence.

So the question becomes, is this intentional? Or were the 10 aspect followers forgotten about? (FYI, summons only go up to 8 points. I haven't found a single 10 Moth summon yet)

[Eyecrow]

I dont know, but i understand the 10 aspect is represent a unstoppable force than cannot be resisted except for a special thing (like the shield in the hunters) so i think that it's a bug

[Eyecrow]

except if the description of the mision tells you: they can fail (or similar), if tells that it's not a bug
(Sorry if have a bad writing)

[Jade Kitsune]

I'm aware that the message says it can fail, but the description is the exact same whether I'm using a 5 Moth hireling or a 10 Moth Skintwister. Such a huge difference in power, yet having the same exact odds?
That just feels wrong.

(Especially if you can only exalt Disciples that are aligned with your cult. Then the only 10 followers you can get ARE Moth, which are nerfed quite noticably if they can't destroy evidence)

[eva02soul]

It is not a bug, evidence tampering doesnt go past 70% chance ever.

[AK]

Moth evidence destruction is the only instance where 10 doesn't ensure success - because it doesn't create notoriety on success, so it'd otherwise be OP. You're right, it is inelegant, but other solutiions required moving too much stuff around.

In Teresa's Build at end Sept, it looks like we'll be making all other 10-aspect followers have a 90% not 100% chance (because failure means wounds, not death). I might adjust Moth at that point, or not.

[Jade Kitsune]

And that is something I completely understand. Guarenteed removal of evidence is a bit too much.

I must say, I am looking forward to the "wounded" follower idea, since that would mean I won't be afraid to use my 5 aspect followers. I wouldn't even mind too much if Moth stayed at 70% if it meant I didn't lose my Skintwister every other attempt.

[Eyecrow]

Im waiting to teresa's build whit so much expectation i can wait ^^

[nephilimnexus]

I thought I explained this before in another thread?

hunting_countermeasures.json

	  	   {id: "evidencedestroymidmoth",
	   label: "Send a Devious Minion to destroy Evidence",
	  actionId:"talk",
	  startdescription:"My scheme will most likely succeed. There is always a chance that something will go awry.",
	  description:".",
	  requirements: {follower:1,moth:5,evidencelevel:1},
	  linked: [{id:"evidencedestroysuccess",chance:70},
	  {id:"evidencedestroyfailure",chance:100}
	  ],
	  	  comments: "We don't want a 100% chance because there's no downside. This could easily change later."

See? Right there in the game code. It maxes out at 70%.

Honestly, the best way to mitiagate evidence is to just let it burn out. Just chill, study and work your day job until it goes away.

Also worth noting that while your board position can be lost due to notoriety, evidence doesn't affect it at all. So sometimes it's best to just let notoriety turn to evidence, as it lets you keep working and stockpiling money whilst you wait for it to time out.

(Or you could just change the code from "chance:70" to "chance:100" if it's really an issue.)

[Jade Kitsune]

Nephilim, that's a good point. With my current run, I'm using Painting to gain so much Mystique that hunters can't pick up Notoriety. The 60 second timer after grabbing Mystique actually is working against them. Sure, there's a CHANCE they can RANDOMLY grab the notoriety I gain from Expeditions, but it's, like, a 1/20 chance. Bury them in so much paperwork they can't find anything important~ (And make money while doing so /)owo/) )

[Ravellon]

You can summon infinite Moth summons though. So 8 Moth is more than enough if you have unlimited attempts.