SEGA confirmed they censored the Gens remaster by taking away my voice

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Can't post on the remaster's forums, because they don't like people calling out their bad practices. Now people are walking all over others using Steam hours as a discount when they ignore the fact people like me originally played the game on console and have 100% Achievements/Platinum Trophy to prove we're not "tourists" or whatever insult they can now hurl thanks to SEGA stripping people like me of their voice.

Now I didn't make the best first impression there, but I DID make a definitive topic post that better collected my perspective and reason for the cry that censorship occured:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/2513280/discussions/0/4700161534025013807/

And just as a dialog was forming, SEGA decided to take away my voice. Steam maybe, I don't know, don't care. You silenced me regardless.

[maloce]

I was given a ban from the threads for 3 days, I made a critical point about criticism but I shouldn't have directed it at someone, lol. You made an amazing post. Great job.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by maloce:

I was given a ban from the threads for 3 days, I made a critical point about criticism but I shouldn't have directed it at someone, lol. You made an amazing post. Great job.

Saw you got banned, wasn't sure why. How have I been able to dodge the silver bullet? I apparently live rent-free so much in some people's heads that they had to go and make a whole video essay about not just me, but everyone complaining about the censorship.

[maloce]

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Originally posted by maloce:

I was given a ban from the threads for 3 days, I made a critical point about criticism but I shouldn't have directed it at someone, lol. You made an amazing post. Great job.

Saw you got banned, wasn't sure why. How have I been able to dodge the silver bullet? I apparently live rent-free so much in some people's heads that they had to go and make a whole video essay about not just me, but everyone complaining about the censorship.

I went a little too far in bashing someone who I felt was being too comfortable advocating. ^_^; I almost didn't buy the game but I did, because I do not want the devs to be punished by some localizers that will be replaced by AI, and that replacement needs to happen fast.

I hope a lot of people talking about it makes Sega nervous, because I think the game is going to do better than ppl think. o_O I may just be overly optimistic, though.

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by maloce:

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Saw you got banned, wasn't sure why. How have I been able to dodge the silver bullet? I apparently live rent-free so much in some people's heads that they had to go and make a whole video essay about not just me, but everyone complaining about the censorship.

I went a little too far in bashing someone who I felt was being too comfortable advocating. ^_^; I almost didn't buy the game but I did, because I do not want the devs to be punished by some localizers that will be replaced by AI, and that replacement needs to happen fast.

I hope a lot of people talking about it makes Sega nervous, because I think the game is going to do better than ppl think. o_O I may just be overly optimistic, though.

The devs still complied with the censorship though, they REANIMATED scenes.

[maloce]

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Originally posted by maloce:

I went a little too far in bashing someone who I felt was being too comfortable advocating. ^_^; I almost didn't buy the game but I did, because I do not want the devs to be punished by some localizers that will be replaced by AI, and that replacement needs to happen fast.

I hope a lot of people talking about it makes Sega nervous, because I think the game is going to do better than ppl think. o_O I may just be overly optimistic, though.

The devs still complied with the censorship though, they REANIMATED scenes.

Oh, I didn't consider that! x_x

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by maloce:

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

The devs still complied with the censorship though, they REANIMATED scenes.

Oh, I didn't consider that! x_x

People still think it's "subjective" what they did, but the problem is.... Sonic Generations is a 13-year old game, not a new game. Yeah, the Shadow Generations side is completely new, but its existence was a perfect excuse for them to do more than just "fix" Rouge.... they had to go in and change things that never offended anyone and changed the whole dub to cover it up as an excuse.

[BlueSixMuze]

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Originally posted by maloce:

Oh, I didn't consider that! x_x

People still think it's "subjective" what they did, but the problem is.... Sonic Generations is a 13-year old game, not a new game. Yeah, the Shadow Generations side is completely new, but its existence was a perfect excuse for them to do more than just "fix" Rouge.... they had to go in and change things that never offended anyone and changed the whole dub to cover it up as an excuse.

So I know you have the other thread. I'll say this kind of glad this stuff is being brought up, but it might be a losing battle when TES: IV came out think Horse Armour. I didn't realize it was this bad until you said this

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Originally posted by BlueSixMuze:

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

People still think it's "subjective" what they did, but the problem is.... Sonic Generations is a 13-year old game, not a new game. Yeah, the Shadow Generations side is completely new, but its existence was a perfect excuse for them to do more than just "fix" Rouge.... they had to go in and change things that never offended anyone and changed the whole dub to cover it up as an excuse.

So I know you have the other thread. I'll say this kind of glad this stuff is being brought up, but it might be a losing battle when TES: IV came out think Horse Armour. I didn't realize it was this bad until you said this

Splash Dash did a video about all this... while I do not agree with all his points, some I do.

[NuMetalSonic]

So now I know you're legit making multiple threads on one game based on the same subject. The name of this thread just sounds like you're butthurt that people don't agree with you. So you're just gonna shove what you think down people's throats. This is not comparable to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ microtransactions. The new script is not "ruining art". People are enjoying the game, and people like you are bringing in the toxic mindset of "anybody who doesn't agree with me and enjoys this game regardless are toxic sonic fanboys." This is not criticism. You're being a toxic butthurt fan who's probably a bigger fan of generations than me who got the platinum trophy, and is here to shout and scream at sega for making a rewritten version of a game he loves. I'm someone who disagrees with you. Cry and scream all you want about the "silencing your voice" crap. It doesn't change the fact that people are gonna disagree with you and you're just gonna have to deal with it. The world isn't gonna plead to you and go "im sorry for not listening to you, you are completely right about all the things you said and I will forever agree with you."

Don't like that I said this? Thats fine. I'm sure your 20th new steam thread for a 13 year old game will convince all the people about how much of a sin to humanity the rerelease is.

Also, I predict you all are gonna call me a toxic fanboy too. Yeah. Sure. Just disregard all the people who have actual genuine positive experiences for this game and call them toxic fanboys and just listen to the one guy on steam forums making multiple tryhard inflammatory threads, complaining about how censorship of a game's story ruins the ENTIRE THING.

[NuMetalSonic]

Also, you probably have a good life if this is the thing you're gonna spend time doing for your life for multiple days, making steam threads and comments. You probably have nothing bad actually happening in your life if this is the thing that you decide to be so passionate about. And before you come at me with "same thing to you" I barely made any comments on steam in the first place.

[maloce]

Originally posted by NuMetalSonic:

So now I know you're legit making multiple threads on one game based on the same subject. The name of this thread just sounds like you're butthurt that people don't agree with you. So you're just gonna shove what you think down people's throats. This is not comparable to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ microtransactions. The new script is not "ruining art". People are enjoying the game, and people like you are bringing in the toxic mindset of "anybody who doesn't agree with me and enjoys this game regardless are toxic sonic fanboys." This is not criticism. You're being a toxic butthurt fan who's probably a bigger fan of generations than me who got the platinum trophy, and is here to shout and scream at sega for making a rewritten version of a game he loves. I'm someone who disagrees with you. Cry and scream all you want about the "silencing your voice" crap. It doesn't change the fact that people are gonna disagree with you and you're just gonna have to deal with it. The world isn't gonna plead to you and go "im sorry for not listening to you, you are completely right about all the things you said and I will forever agree with you."

Don't like that I said this? Thats fine. I'm sure your 20th new steam thread for a 13 year old game will convince all the people about how much of a sin to humanity the rerelease is.

Also, I predict you all are gonna call me a toxic fanboy too. Yeah. Sure. Just disregard all the people who have actual genuine positive experiences for this game and call them toxic fanboys and just listen to the one guy on steam forums making multiple tryhard inflammatory threads, complaining about how censorship of a game's story ruins the ENTIRE THING.

It is ruining art. And small censorship like this is just to prepare us when its big changes. In the future you may have something censored beyond what you can imagine now, and you're paving the way for that future.

I'm glad he and others are calling it out.

I am seeing these consultant groups on video saying to scare publishers to hire them. It's like an extortion racket. Let us fix your game for a modern audience that doesn't exist or maybe the game journalists all fall in line to say they found sexism in your work place, like with the Wukong devs.

There is no reason to censor inoffensive stuff. It's weird and suspicious.

There was no reason for the censorship as far as I'm concerned, except for weasels to find problems so they can shake down publishers and devs.

You can love sonic x knuckles generation and still not defend it like your life is attached to it.

Learn how to make paragraphs instead of walls of text please. Next time I may read it.

[maloce]

The sad thing is, people not considering: The money they wasted on a consulting firm to "fix" their game, they could have used that to maybe update the graphics or something, or make it run more than 60 fps.

[NuMetalSonic]

Originally posted by maloce:

Originally posted by NuMetalSonic:

So now I know you're legit making multiple threads on one game based on the same subject. The name of this thread just sounds like you're butthurt that people don't agree with you. So you're just gonna shove what you think down people's throats. This is not comparable to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ microtransactions. The new script is not "ruining art". People are enjoying the game, and people like you are bringing in the toxic mindset of "anybody who doesn't agree with me and enjoys this game regardless are toxic sonic fanboys." This is not criticism. You're being a toxic butthurt fan who's probably a bigger fan of generations than me who got the platinum trophy, and is here to shout and scream at sega for making a rewritten version of a game he loves. I'm someone who disagrees with you. Cry and scream all you want about the "silencing your voice" crap. It doesn't change the fact that people are gonna disagree with you and you're just gonna have to deal with it. The world isn't gonna plead to you and go "im sorry for not listening to you, you are completely right about all the things you said and I will forever agree with you."

Don't like that I said this? Thats fine. I'm sure your 20th new steam thread for a 13 year old game will convince all the people about how much of a sin to humanity the rerelease is.

Also, I predict you all are gonna call me a toxic fanboy too. Yeah. Sure. Just disregard all the people who have actual genuine positive experiences for this game and call them toxic fanboys and just listen to the one guy on steam forums making multiple tryhard inflammatory threads, complaining about how censorship of a game's story ruins the ENTIRE THING.

It is ruining art. And small censorship like this is just to prepare us when its big changes. In the future you may have something censored beyond what you can imagine now, and you're paving the way for that future.

I'm glad he and others are calling it out.

I am seeing these consultant groups on video saying to scare publishers to hire them. It's like an extortion racket. Let us fix your game for a modern audience that doesn't exist or maybe the game journalists all fall in line to say they found sexism in your work place, like with the Wukong devs.

There is no reason to censor inoffensive stuff. It's weird and suspicious.

There was no reason for the censorship as far as I'm concerned, except for weasels to find problems so they can shake down publishers and devs.

You can love sonic x knuckles generation and still not defend it like your life is attached to it.

Learn how to make paragraphs instead of walls of text please. Next time I may read it.

I've realized I need to stop caring about steam comments. Or social media in general. So many people are so selfish and negative. I legit see the censorship as a non-issue, so of course I'm defending it.

You folks calling it out are not realizing you're CONVINCING people that Generations is a crap game. It's gonna discourage people from playing it. And for what? A story that was censored that doesn't really matter. The game itself is awesome, and is one of the best Sonic games of all time. A measly, miniscule, unimportant story is not gonna change that fact.

You saying you're not gonna read my long post isn't gonna help your case, and proves to me you aren't actually willing to listen to me. Case in point, if you don't listen to me, why should I listen to you? Lets just agree to disagree.

Also, I'm not "defending the game with my life." If you read my posts, you should know I'm not defending Ian's decision to censor the game. I'm annoyed by how absurdly hyperbolic and exaggerated the original post is and the title. Nothing is stopping you from starting a discussion and expressing why you think the censorship sucks. Its the fact that people like this guy make it such a huge deal. The baseless assumptions that everyone who plays SxSH Generations is wanting the censorship in the first place is just plain wrong.

The posts are inflammatory in nature. The guy isn't making a meaningful discussion and asking what others think. They're going "You guys suck and you need to listen to me you idiots." On top of that, making more and more threads to shove their opinion down our throats.

Why so many Steam posts exist where people just can't be civil and instead resort to being aggressive is genuinely concerning. Why are so many people attention-seeking and need people to listen to them and cry when things don't go their way? I really can't look at Steam discussions anymore because every game has something like this.

[maloce]

Originally posted by NuMetalSonic:

Originally posted by maloce:

It is ruining art. And small censorship like this is just to prepare us when its big changes. In the future you may have something censored beyond what you can imagine now, and you're paving the way for that future.

I'm glad he and others are calling it out.

I am seeing these consultant groups on video saying to scare publishers to hire them. It's like an extortion racket. Let us fix your game for a modern audience that doesn't exist or maybe the game journalists all fall in line to say they found sexism in your work place, like with the Wukong devs.

There is no reason to censor inoffensive stuff. It's weird and suspicious.

There was no reason for the censorship as far as I'm concerned, except for weasels to find problems so they can shake down publishers and devs.

You can love sonic x knuckles generation and still not defend it like your life is attached to it.

Learn how to make paragraphs instead of walls of text please. Next time I may read it.

I've realized I need to stop caring about steam comments. Or social media in general. So many people are so selfish and negative. I legit see the censorship as a non-issue, so of course I'm defending it.

You folks calling it out are not realizing you're CONVINCING people that Generations is a crap game. It's gonna discourage people from playing it. And for what? A story that was censored that doesn't really matter. The game itself is awesome, and is one of the best Sonic games of all time. A measly, miniscule, unimportant story is not gonna change that fact.

You saying you're not gonna read my long post isn't gonna help your case, and proves to me you aren't actually willing to listen to me. Case in point, if you don't listen to me, why should I listen to you? Lets just agree to disagree.

Also, I'm not "defending the game with my life." If you read my posts, you should know I'm not defending Ian's decision to censor the game. I'm annoyed by how absurdly hyperbolic and exaggerated the original post is and the title. Nothing is stopping you from starting a discussion and expressing why you think the censorship sucks. Its the fact that people like this guy make it such a huge deal. The baseless assumptions that everyone who plays SxSH Generations is wanting the censorship in the first place is just plain wrong.

The posts are inflammatory in nature. The guy isn't making a meaningful discussion and asking what others think. They're going "You guys suck and you need to listen to me you idiots." On top of that, making more and more threads to shove their opinion down our throats.

Why so many Steam posts exist where people just can't be civil and instead resort to being aggressive is genuinely concerning. Why are so many people attention-seeking and need people to listen to them and cry when things don't go their way? I really can't look at Steam discussions anymore because every game has something like this.

Why are you so adamant about defending censorship for things that aren't needed?

If they are willing to censor something as miniscule as this, where there was never a public outrage, not even a minor outrage, what do you think they're capable of doing later?

Censorship for the sake of censorship, that's not something anyone should get behind.

Also, you can look at my account to see that I not only have Sonic X Shadow, I wrote a glowing review of it. I can really like a game a lot and want to stop the nonsense. Again, the nonsense is: Censorship for the sake of censorship.

I disagree that there is ever a need to defend it. You like this game, I like this game. You like Shadow X, I like Shadow X. But if you're talking about censorship for the sake of censorship, because a minority of human beings want to go whims and reshape work of people before them, I can't be apart of that. Who assigned these people the morality police? I think they're scum bags who are hurting the gaming industry, and dividing gamers at the same time.

These are the same type of people who constantly feel the need to inject their current day politics in games. It's not hard to understand why. Kids play games, and kids are easier to propagandize. The younger you are, the less stuff has to make sense. Kids will believe in Santa Clause, so as we get older and call out the nonsense of these ideologies, they target the kids and want us to die off, in hopes of their ideology can survive.

It's actually evil.

[NuMetalSonic]

Originally posted by maloce:

Originally posted by NuMetalSonic:

I've realized I need to stop caring about steam comments. Or social media in general. So many people are so selfish and negative. I legit see the censorship as a non-issue, so of course I'm defending it.

You folks calling it out are not realizing you're CONVINCING people that Generations is a crap game. It's gonna discourage people from playing it. And for what? A story that was censored that doesn't really matter. The game itself is awesome, and is one of the best Sonic games of all time. A measly, miniscule, unimportant story is not gonna change that fact.

You saying you're not gonna read my long post isn't gonna help your case, and proves to me you aren't actually willing to listen to me. Case in point, if you don't listen to me, why should I listen to you? Lets just agree to disagree.

Also, I'm not "defending the game with my life." If you read my posts, you should know I'm not defending Ian's decision to censor the game. I'm annoyed by how absurdly hyperbolic and exaggerated the original post is and the title. Nothing is stopping you from starting a discussion and expressing why you think the censorship sucks. Its the fact that people like this guy make it such a huge deal. The baseless assumptions that everyone who plays SxSH Generations is wanting the censorship in the first place is just plain wrong.

The posts are inflammatory in nature. The guy isn't making a meaningful discussion and asking what others think. They're going "You guys suck and you need to listen to me you idiots." On top of that, making more and more threads to shove their opinion down our throats.

Why so many Steam posts exist where people just can't be civil and instead resort to being aggressive is genuinely concerning. Why are so many people attention-seeking and need people to listen to them and cry when things don't go their way? I really can't look at Steam discussions anymore because every game has something like this.

Why are you so adamant about defending censorship for things that aren't needed?

If they are willing to censor something as miniscule as this, where there was never a public outrage, not even a minor outrage, what do you think they're capable of doing later?

Censorship for the sake of censorship, that's not something anyone should get behind.

Also, you can look at my account to see that I not only have Sonic X Shadow, I wrote a glowing review of it. I can really like a game a lot and want to stop the nonsense. Again, the nonsense is: Censorship for the sake of censorship.

I disagree that there is ever a need to defend it. You like this game, I like this game. You like Shadow X, I like Shadow X. But if you're talking about censorship for the sake of censorship, because a minority of human beings want to go whims and reshape work of people before them, I can't be apart of that. Who assigned these people the morality police? I think they're scum bags who are hurting the gaming industry, and dividing gamers at the same time.

These are the same type of people who constantly feel the need to inject their current day politics in games. It's not hard to understand why. Kids play games, and kids are easier to propagandize. The younger you are, the less stuff has to make sense. Kids will believe in Santa Clause, so as we get older and call out the nonsense of these ideologies, they target the kids and want us to die off, in hopes of their ideology can survive.

It's actually evil.

All this stuff you say, I actually agree with. People should be able to make what they want without being pushed by executives to make stuff sanitized and as clean as possible.

I wanna say though, for Sonic Generations itself, I personally think the new censored things aren't actually bad. Rouge being more covered up is something I don't really mind. I'm not focused on Rouge or thinking about her too much in this game. Amy is someone who is still supportive but isn't stalker-like or obsessive to the same creepy degree or being the butt of a joke, yet it shows she still loves and cares for Sonic.

Voice line delivery is another thing though, as I don't like the new voice direction in some instances, but I do prefer a lot of the new dialogue, especially for Sonic and Tails. I like that their focusing less on comedy at the expense of other characters, and more on their friendship.