next total war i will buy is a gunpowder one.

[m1si]

i am so tired of them just taking their games add a couple of features and reskin them like. Thrones of Britannia looks like a dlc to Attila. And the new total war Three kingdoms looks like a mobile game. So i will probably pass on the next total war.

[AmmonJerro]

Thrones of britannia was advertised as an Atilla addon so im glad you figured that one out all by yourself. More for die hard fans not snowflakes

[m1si]

Originally posted by AmmonJerro:

Thrones of britannia was advertised as an Atilla addon so im glad you figured that one out all by yourself. More for die hard fans not snowflakes

so it is okey to make exactly the same game every year, charging the same ammount fot them. And making them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If you were a die hard fan of the total war series you would play some of the actuall good games like the medievel total war, shogun 2 total war or napoleon not this donwgraded ♥♥♥♥

[Haddon]

How does 3K "look like a mobile game"? Looks like Total War to me.

And what do you expect them to do? Put tanks and guns in a game about medieval Britain? Yeah, it is a period of spear and shield, just like everything (except Japan with their lack of shields) prior to like the 16th century.

[mercurydawn]

http://samuraiantiqueworld.proboards.com/thread/28/use-shields-japan

Japanese used shields. They had a system of conscription that discouraged the use of shields tactically, using two handed pikes instead. It was a capital offense to have shields for about 1,000 years, but before and after that period shields were used.

And the period in-between saw widespread adaptation of samurai armor that essentially had shields built into the sides, leaving both hands open. I am actually not a big fan of this style of fighting, and given the various books on Bushido that I've read, I can't ascribe to the theory Bushido is the cause of the "loss" of shields. Central to Bushido after all is the concept of "being the Emperor's shield", in otherwords being the faction that becomes Shogun, protector of the Emperor.

If the OP wants gunpowder units, so be it. Everyone is entitled to a preference of era, and I suspect the Saga series is going to leap around using the coding from Napoleon and Empire's as a basis for eras nearby in time. If your demand really was for a brand new game engine.... you really should of said new game engine, instead of just gun powder, cause all you'll get with this approach is a spruced up Empires. I suspect they won't borrow from Shogun just yet due to 3K.

[MANWHATADONGA]

Originally posted by AmmonJerro:

Thrones of britannia was advertised as an Atilla addon so im glad you figured that one out all by yourself. More for die hard fans not snowflakes

I must have missed that advert?

[MANWHATADONGA]

Originally posted by Haddon:

How does 3K "look like a mobile game"? Looks like Total War to me.

And what do you expect them to do? Put tanks and guns in a game about medieval Britain? Yeah, it is a period of spear and shield, just like everything (except Japan with their lack of shields) prior to like the 16th century.

Take a chill pill Haddon no were he stated tanks and guns in his thread.3 kingdoms is done for the chinese market.I will not be buying it,no more slick PR and vidoes for me.

[Centur1on01]

When did CA announce this? curious

[mercurydawn]

3K is by default going to be a massive attractor for new fans from the Asian Market who haven't played a TW game since Rome 1 or Medieval (I've seen alot of bottles of those two games floating around in the middle East by Chinese language burners on the CD in markets). But it isn't "just for them", I've been waiting for the inevitable 3K game for years. I get TW started off with Shogun (thus Japanese) first, but it was practically designed for 3K more than any other era. People interested in the history of world warfare knew this was a mandatory era to hit. Far more important honestly than anything that Caesar or the Spartans ever did. It is like doing a WW2 series and forgetting the Soviet Front. That's a inexcusable omission. 3K is a equally inexcusable moment in the history of warfare, that is central to modern civilization..... everyone in Asia, not just China, can quote aspects of that era, and many increasingly can in the West in the same manner we can do the Illiad or Odyssey.

Just, if TW ♥♥♥♥♥ Three Kingdoms up, I'm worried the Asians will never forgive them and will persecute CA on a level we've never seen before.... but this really is a fan service game we've been asking for, for some time. Nobody ever asked for retarded ♥♥♥♥ like Warhammer but we did ask for 3k and the 30 Years War, Age of Victoria, stuff like that. 30 Years War wouldn't be a game aimed mostly at the German Market, but all TE history enthusiasts. Same for 3K.

[Moose_knuckle]

Originally posted by thereddevil:

Originally posted by AmmonJerro:

Thrones of britannia was advertised as an Atilla addon so im glad you figured that one out all by yourself. More for die hard fans not snowflakes

so it is okey to make exactly the same game every year, charging the same ammount fot them. And making them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If you were a die hard fan of the total war series you would play some of the actuall good games like the medievel total war, shogun 2 total war or napoleon not this donwgraded ♥♥♥♥

None of thats true though. Thrones was quite a bit cheaper then Attila and if you played it you'd know it actually feels pretty different, i mean its still guys with swords and axes but thats about it. I love all the total war games you listed but I still think this one has its place.

[m1si]

Originally posted by Moose_knuckle:

Originally posted by thereddevil:

so it is okey to make exactly the same game every year, charging the same ammount fot them. And making them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. If you were a die hard fan of the total war series you would play some of the actuall good games like the medievel total war, shogun 2 total war or napoleon not this donwgraded ♥♥♥♥

None of thats true though. Thrones was quite a bit cheaper then Attila and if you played it you'd know it actually feels pretty different, i mean its still guys with swords and axes but thats about it. I love all the total war games you listed but I still think this one has its place.

you are completely correct. Attila felt alot better, both with the animations and Attila had alot more variety between units and weapons

[Sarumoon]

Originally posted by thereddevil:

Originally posted by AmmonJerro:

Thrones of britannia was advertised as an Atilla addon so im glad you figured that one out all by yourself. More for die hard fans not snowflakes

so it is okey to make exactly the same game every year, charging the same ammount fot them. And making them ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

You can copy and paste this over at the NBA 2k forum, that's for sure...

[Haddon]

Originally posted by mercurydawn:

http://samuraiantiqueworld.proboards.com/thread/28/use-shields-japan

Japanese used shields. They had a system of conscription that discouraged the use of shields tactically, using two handed pikes instead. It was a capital offense to have shields for about 1,000 years, but before and after that period shields were used.

And the period in-between saw widespread adaptation of samurai armor that essentially had shields built into the sides, leaving both hands open. I am actually not a big fan of this style of fighting, and given the various books on Bushido that I've read, I can't ascribe to the theory Bushido is the cause of the "loss" of shields. Central to Bushido after all is the concept of "being the Emperor's shield", in otherwords being the faction that becomes Shogun, protector of the Emperor.

If the OP wants gunpowder units, so be it. Everyone is entitled to a preference of era, and I suspect the Saga series is going to leap around using the coding from Napoleon and Empire's as a basis for eras nearby in time. If your demand really was for a brand new game engine.... you really should of said new game engine, instead of just gun powder, cause all you'll get with this approach is a spruced up Empires. I suspect they won't borrow from Shogun just yet due to 3K.

Tate are pavises. Technically, yes they are shields, but not hand-held, and not used very regularly. It wasn't a complete lack of shields, but it certainly wasn't "spear and shield warfare". At least, for the majority of Japanese history for which we have historical documentation.

[mercurydawn]

They definitely had a shield and spear era, just is old by Japanese historical standards. It was a thousand year gap.

And we had stuff exactly similar in function to the tates. The mobile large shields team sit behind is basically a pavise shield. A Italian text (with the coolest illustrations, the characters crack me up the faces they make) De Rei Militari (not by Vegetius, can't recall his name, think it starts with a N or R) shows either Venetian or Genoese soldiers using them in siege conditions. It is a slow evolution to the sorry dirt filled Hesco Barriers used today as a wall substitute, but was also the ancestor to police riot shields.

Japanese went that direction not because they were so inventive, but because that is how you use and defend against such early gunpowder weapons, they learned it from the West.... the same West (not Kanye) that sold them the weapons.

[TVMAN]

Originally posted by thereddevil:

And the new total war Three kingdoms looks like a mobile game.

Where are you parroting this talking point from? Either you haven't actually seen it or you're legally blind, because it looks absolutely nothing like a mobile game.

[Haddon]

Originally posted by mercurydawn:

They definitely had a shield and spear era, just is old by Japanese historical standards. It was a thousand year gap.

And we had stuff exactly similar in function to the tates. The mobile large shields team sit behind is basically a pavise shield. A Italian text (with the coolest illustrations, the characters crack me up the faces they make) De Rei Militari (not by Vegetius, can't recall his name, think it starts with a N or R) shows either Venetian or Genoese soldiers using them in siege conditions. It is a slow evolution to the sorry dirt filled Hesco Barriers used today as a wall substitute, but was also the ancestor to police riot shields.

Japanese went that direction not because they were so inventive, but because that is how you use and defend against such early gunpowder weapons, they learned it from the West.... the same West (not Kanye) that sold them the weapons.

Their "shield and spear" era was almost undocumented, though. We have very little information about the makeup of their arms and army of the Nara period and before. Almost none on the Asuka and Kofun.