Ultimate Victory

[Sckalthor]

I'm playing with Wessex i formed England then a message showing up that the consequences will be shown later and never happen (now 913 DC)

[The Blind One]

viking invasion will happen with a 5 stack (a few 20's and a few 16 stacks, no more, no less)

Beat them to a pulp or have them crushed and beaten by another ai player and you've won the game.

Yep that's it.

[Sckalthor]

Yes i know but the thing is i'm still wating for them xD

[mercurydawn]

Yeah, it isn't always Normans. I was playing on very hard and I got Norse in the Northwest of the map (Viking faction, so good naval capacity, ships move in packs of two typically) and the Denes invaded Danelaw.

I left the Denes to conquer half of Danelaw, while I ran around trying to figure out how to get the Norse in compromising positions while island hopping. Geography didn't help much.

After I had them licked, I sent my armies in reinforce on the border with Denes, and waited for them to get close to killing off Danelaw or Danelaw have a resurgence and get close to killing off the Denes.

Turned out Danelaw started getting the upper hand, started recovering territory, armies tooth and nail far away from me, and that's when I walked in and stomped on the Danes. Now Danelaw loves me for saving them, I have a friendship pact, and got half their old territory. I can focus on finishing off my conquest of Ireland, then hopefully do landings in Wales then Anglo-Saxon England with Danelaw as a ally, with me assaulting from the West and South, depending on the Welsh and their diplomatic stance. It will be delicious.

So don't always expect the Normans to invade from the south unless you are playing on legendary. Extra Hard and Hard only gets two factions attacking. I still technically never fought the Normans in fact.

Also don't expect the fleets to land in your territory. If they land in the AI's realm, the AI might repulse them for you, had the Anglo-Saxons do this for me to the Normans.

Heck, these factions don't necessarily have to declare war on you either. They behave just like another AI faction. Had Danes lasted longer, I think I could of turned then to a friend then ally.

[Sckalthor]

Yes and Normans invasions will trigger in 935? or ealrier?

[mercurydawn]

They trigger whenever you accomplish a long victory apparently, a few turns later you will be informed they are coming in, a few turns after that will be told the ultimate victory conditions you need to achieve.

I recommend just shrugging this ultimate victory concept off. I never ever try to accomplish any of the short or long victory conditions, or fame.... I just play the game, and way too early into the game I'm informed I'm winning too many kinds of victories...... then these groups land.

Just get used to thinking like a actual competent country and keep a army in your rear area, and figure out what force holds the line, which ones need to move back to your rear to deal with threats, how quick they can respond, coordinate, etc.

If you are always doing this, then the AI won't cause you much damage when it does sail ships like a little sneak to your rear, and these Viking incursions won't matter.

Don't expect a strong economy is going to prop you up when they land in rapidly building up forces, that oftentimes collapses when multi factions start raising you. Decide what needs to be saved absolutely, send raiding forces (a single unit) to recover the rest when the Viking armies are distracted with your main armies.

[Sckalthor]

humm well i think it maybe "broken" because the game warning me about an invasion a few turns after i complete long victory condtiion

[UTSpawn]

On very hardI beat the Normans and Daners - I have to go beat the Norse too?

[Countzero]

Ultimate Victory

I achieved this today as Dyflin. I triggered the invasion after winning a long conquest victory and on normal difficulty 5 fleets spawned up in the North West of the map. They were Norse. They died to my armies. Then nothing happened.... No achievement.

I looked on the forums and discovered that you need to destroy any "Viking" factions on the map. I discovered Dene and killed them eventually to achieve the Ultimate Victory. So they weren't an invading fleet when I met them which I found a bit confusing..

It was strange from Historical point of view that England were my allies in this venture. Utred would have been proud ... I even took Bebbanbug. How cool is that!

[Mile pro Libertate]

Originally posted by Countzero:

Ultimate Victory

I achieved this today as Dyflin. I triggered the invasion after winning a long conquest victory and on normal difficulty 5 fleets spawned up in the North West of the map. They were Norse. They died to my armies. Then nothing happened.... No achievement.

I looked on the forums and discovered that you need to destroy any "Viking" factions on the map. I discovered Dene and killed them eventually to achieve the Ultimate Victory. So they weren't an invading fleet when I met them which I found a bit confusing..

It was strange from Historical point of view that England were my allies in this venture. Utred would have been proud ... I even took Bebbanbug. How cool is that!

Originally posted by mercurydawn:

Yeah, it isn't always Normans. I was playing on very hard and I got Norse in the Northwest of the map (Viking faction, so good naval capacity, ships move in packs of two typically) and the Denes invaded Danelaw.

I left the Denes to conquer half of Danelaw, while I ran around trying to figure out how to get the Norse in compromising positions while island hopping. Geography didn't help much.

After I had them licked, I sent my armies in reinforce on the border with Denes, and waited for them to get close to killing off Danelaw or Danelaw have a resurgence and get close to killing off the Denes.

Turned out Danelaw started getting the upper hand, started recovering territory, armies tooth and nail far away from me, and that's when I walked in and stomped on the Danes. Now Danelaw loves me for saving them, I have a friendship pact, and got half their old territory. I can focus on finishing off my conquest of Ireland, then hopefully do landings in Wales then Anglo-Saxon England with Danelaw as a ally, with me assaulting from the West and South, depending on the Welsh and their diplomatic stance. It will be delicious.

So don't always expect the Normans to invade from the south unless you are playing on legendary. Extra Hard and Hard only gets two factions attacking. I still technically never fought the Normans in fact.

Also don't expect the fleets to land in your territory. If they land in the AI's realm, the AI might repulse them for you, had the Anglo-Saxons do this for me to the Normans.

Heck, these factions don't necessarily have to declare war on you either. They behave just like another AI faction. Had Danes lasted longer, I think I could of turned then to a friend then ally.

As these guys show, it is a semi-dynamic event.

The trigger is set for when you accomplish the Long Victory, but as to how many turns it will be before they spawn, where they will spawn, how many stacks, etc. is dynamic, and is influenced by both campaign difficulty setting and your empire's layout.

I had Normans and Danes spawn on me as Northumbria, on Legendary, and I got a message about another fleet that had run into a storm.

Something interesting is that the two fleets did not arrive simultaneously, or in a state of war: Normans arrived first to the south, declared war on Wessex ("Kingdom of England"), and have not declared war on me, probably because I am at war with England too. The Danes declared war, but it took till the second turn after their arrival.

In terms of numbers, Danes arrived with 7 fleets, with 15 to 20 ships each, so about 120 units total. I couldn't really see how many Norman fleets there were in total, because of fow, but I did count at least 5.

The Dane units are strong, they all have veteran xp, and their generals have strong traits with large bodyguards.