Giving Titles/Estates to Vassals/Nobles?

[Rhyagelle]

I've come to accept that CA is a jerk among jerks and won't ever allow full modding, so I decided to cave and jump back into the game. So far I haven't had a problem with what it has been teaching me, but the in game "tutorial" told me I could give a settlement I just raided and occupied to a vassal through the Factions screen.

Not only does the tutorial not give you a shortcut for this Factions screen (is there even one?) it doesn't tell you where that button is. So after I finally found it, I went into it (under the map, right? Only button I found called "factions") but couldn't locate any way to give the settlement I took to anyone, not even myself, the king. Not only that, I couldn't even find the name of the settlement in the list of the button opened.

Could someone tell me how the hell I'm supposed to do this?

[Oakshield]

If you mean with "settlement" a province you captured, I'm not sure if there's even an option to give it to a vassal. I found the lack of being able to do diplomatic actions with my vassals a lackluster in the first place. I mean, I'm able to do lots of diplo actions with anyone, but the ones I keep close can only be released, declared war upon and a third I can't remember right now? You can't even marry that ugl..... I mean, that sweet princess to them, unless they ask you to marry the spoi... ehm, lovely girl!

I also don't see any reason to give any province to a vassal in the first place. Half of your mission goals are usually ending up with you or a vassal owning that spot anyway. And since a vassal is not having any benefits at all, I rather have it myself. So I'd rather have an option for make sure that anything a vassal conquers will be given to me, unless decided otherwise by me. Kinda similar to how things in CK2 and EU are done.

HOWEVER:

if you are talking about the estates needed for those missions, you need to go to the family tree.
In there, click at the 2nd button to the right in the top row. It's labelled "governors and estates".
Click at estates and it'll show you the current map, highlighting all estates you and your statesmen (governors, generals, family) owns.

To the left you find a scroll down panel listing all your statesmen, which not only show you their stats, but also if they're having manors and estates.

Click at one of the symbols at the map "wearing a crown"!!!! (make sure you check that, before giving it away!), scroll down that list until you found the stateman you want, click at him and confirm that you want to donate that particular estate to that particular person.

After doing that, you'll notice that particular statesman has increased his loyalty and influence, so make sure you don't give them too many or they'll be more influental as you are. And you don't want that.



Thorin :)

[Rhyagelle]

Originally posted by Oakshield:

If you mean with "settlement" a province you captured, I'm not sure if there's even an option to give it to a vassal.

I took Torfness (in the Iarmoreb province) and my in-game help adviser told me to give it to a noble/vassal through the Factions screen. That's all I know and quit the game after trying to do just that for little over half an hour. :(

Originally posted by Oakshield:

I found the lack of being able to do diplomatic actions with my vassals a lackluster in the first place. I mean, I'm able to do lots of diplo actions with anyone, but the ones I keep close can only be released, declared war upon and a third I can't remember right now? You can't even marry that ugl..... I mean, that sweet princess to them, unless they ask you to marry the spoi... ehm, lovely girl!

Yea, it is definitely extremely disappointing the lack of things you can do. And I find it rather insulting that they abandoned the game like this and then released something like Total War: Three Kingdoms which is so much better it is embarrassing.

Why give the player vassals if you can't really do much with them in the first place?

Originally posted by Oakshield:

I also don't see any reason to give any province to a vassal in the first place. Half of your mission goals are usually ending up with you or a vassal owning that spot anyway. And since a vassal is not having any benefits at all, I rather have it myself. So I'd rather have an option for make sure that anything a vassal conquers will be given to me, unless decided otherwise by me. Kinda similar to how things in CK2 and EU are done.

I don't know what reason is she's telling me to do it, but I'd reckon to keep them happy enough not to rebel or something. Or maybe to make them the governor of the place? I noticed when I clicked into it there was no governor and I couldn't even assign one.

And I agree, I'd rather it do that too. If this game handled things more like CK2 when it came to diplomacy and vassals it would be so damn good. A Total War meets CK2 game would just exceed my expectations.

Originally posted by Oakshield:

HOWEVER:

if you are talking about the estates needed for those missions, you need to go to the family tree.
In there, click at the 2nd button to the right in the top row. It's labelled "governors and estates".
Click at estates and it'll show you the current map, highlighting all estates you and your statesmen (governors, generals, family) owns.

To the left you find a scroll down panel listing all your statesmen, which not only show you their stats, but also if they're having manors and estates.

Click at one of the symbols at the map "wearing a crown"!!!! (make sure you check that, before giving it away!), scroll down that list until you found the stateman you want, click at him and confirm that you want to donate that particular estate to that particular person.

After doing that, you'll notice that particular statesman has increased his loyalty and influence, so make sure you don't give them too many or they'll be more influental as you are. And you don't want that.

Thorin :)

Okay, I'll load up the game and try that. I went through Governors and Estates I think but I might have already been frustrated by then due to the lack of a decent tutorial. haha I'll update if it worked out!

Thanks Thorin! :)

EDIT

Okay, a screenshot of the Governors and Estates panel. I don't see the estate my adviser says I control and should give away, and none of the open people, not even my son, seemingly can take it. I put my cursor close to the place of the town that I supposedly own.

Is my game save messing up?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1752514517

I don't see any crowns or any symbol on the map for Torfness. I mean there's a crown on Ketill's image but that's because he's my heir and I can't do anything with him but secure loyalty (thanking him).

[Oakshield]

Looking at that screenshot, it looks like you got the wrong panel of the two options.

Open that panel, then click at the estates part and all the estates you and your statesmen own wil be shown. Including those having a crown.
A small tip; the panel you got open is always showing a brighter blue as the rest. ;)

I did mention it, so I guess you missed that part in my post due to the wall of text.
So I'll keep it short this time.

Glad to be of help so far!

Edit:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1753464721

Perhaps this helps a bit more?
Thorin :)

[Rhyagelle]

Hello and thanks for keeping up with me. I really appreciate it! :)

And yea, I saw it that bit, but I foolishly forgot to upload the second screenshot. In my estates tab, the area is empty (zoomed in, but nothing shows, not even the ones I start with). Unless the adviser was wrong and the event here is wrong, I know I actually control the place, but yea. This is what it looks like. Nothing for me to click except vassals to the left which bring me to their character pages:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1754615373

And here is the even telling me I took the Settlement as well, though I wish I had gotten a picture of the adviser telling me to set the estate up to a noble/vassal. I didn't expect it to not work.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1754617497

[Oakshield]

Ookay. Now I get it.

Looks like you have to build yourself an estate first. After all, can't give away anything you don't have (unless you're the government, but let's not go politics here :D ).

What you have to do to do that, is to click at any of the cities you own. This will bring up the building panel.
Check them for abilities to build farms or religious buildings. When they're first tier, you get two building options. When they're already having build 2nd tier you get a building, demolishing or converting option.

To build a farm estate, I believe the picture shows something of a house and it's called "manor", I believe for a religious one, you need to build the priory.
Mind you, those take 4 turns to build, so building them after getting the mission is auto-failing. Conversion to an estate may even take longer, not sure about that.

And just to be sure, make sure you got the ENTIRE province; as this game would even show the buildings the AI build to some degree. Making you wonder why you can't build there, despite clicking at the picture. (yeah, been there, done that, didn't get the t-shirt).


Thorin :)

[Rhyagelle]

Oh! I have to build it first? That would explain everything! that seems so obvious! Why didn't the adviser say something about building and capturing it all first? What a terrible tutorial.

Alright, I'll go back to it and try it all out! Thanks Thorin! :)

[Oakshield]

I don't think I even did a tutorial.

Glad to be of help, though.

Thorin :)