Rotation

[Decanus]

Think i am missing something but can we only rotate on a single axis based on the direction of the face of the block we are aimed at, i have tried the shift-r and changing to the Q and E keybindings but all that does is reverse the order of rotation

[Indrasil]

Yeah, that's for simplicity's sake.
You have to build temporary scaffolding that provides different planes of rotation.

[Decanus]

How do I then connect the item to say a hinge or piston to create an opening canopy after I remove the scaffolding when tried that before posting the canopy was connected to the scaffolding and not the piston or rotor, is there a "weld" tool of some description

[TIKI]

in Sevo blocks dont have to be actually touching each other to work, if you delete the scaffolding your ships canopy wont just fall off so long as the scaffolding was built off the rotor or whatever itll be part of that child entity and anything built off of that scaffolding will also be part of that child entity, altho you could also just use the copy paste tool but its easier to just place a few temp blocks

[ProPeach]

Originally posted by Decanus:

How do I then connect the item to say a hinge or piston to create an opening canopy after I remove the scaffolding when tried that before posting the canopy was connected to the scaffolding and not the piston or rotor, is there a "weld" tool of some description

It sounds like you didn't place the canopy/scaffolding bricks on the moving part of the hinge. Place them on the top part and then build off of there

[Far-Seeker]

Originally posted by Indrasil:

Yeah, that's for simplicity's sake.
You have to build temporary scaffolding that provides different planes of rotation.

I suppose in space this usually isn't necessary as well.

I do think Emperyon did a decent job with having a fairly intuitive way to flip through different axes of rotation.

[FuryoftheStars]

Originally posted by Far-Seeker:

Originally posted by Indrasil:

Yeah, that's for simplicity's sake.
You have to build temporary scaffolding that provides different planes of rotation.

I suppose in space this usually isn't necessary as well.

I do think Emperyon did a decent job with having a fairly intuitive way to flip through different axes of rotation.

Perhaps, but the inability to have blocks overlap (so you can't put lights on a slope or into the same block space as a ladder, as examples) isn't.

So far, of the games I've played with block building, Avorion has by far been the best. If I weren't so jaded from their 2.0 changes, I'd still be playing it.

[seehp]

I think there should be at least one secondary rotation axis. The current scaffolding method is annoying at best and often just destructive, when you have to remove parts of your ship to get a part to the right orientation.

[Musashi917]

okay guys so I am just curious, do you need scaffolding often? For what use case? From what I can think it was only when wanting to place a wedge (or similar shape) on the side, not on its base. Most other blocks have a natural base to them (like you place a seat on the ground), so I always felt it was an edge case.
I definitely don't want a system with 6 keys, I can't figure it out myself - but there are other solution I just want to understand the user case well.

[Indrasil]

It's not an edge case at all. I can confidently say that a solid 1/4 of the blocks I place, I need scaffolding for.
I would like to propose a solution. Holding R and scrolling the mouse wheel would rotate a brick like it does now. Holding Shift+R and scrolling the mouse wheel would rotate it along a different plane. Two planes of rotation would be enough to skip the scaffolding and would not introduce any more keybinds, aside from the scroll wheel, which the players use anyway, but in this instance, its use would be contextual. I've been told that StarMade uses a similar solution. We would need some UI arrows to appear around the block the moment the block rotation context is engaged, for the player to clearly understand, which way the block will turn upon each keybind combo.

[Houseplant]

Originally posted by Musashi917:

okay guys so I am just curious, do you need scaffolding often? For what use case? From what I can think it was only when wanting to place a wedge (or similar shape) on the side, not on its base. Most other blocks have a natural base to them (like you place a seat on the ground), so I always felt it was an edge case.
I definitely don't want a system with 6 keys, I can't figure it out myself - but there are other solution I just want to understand the user case well.

Scaffolding is absolutely needed. I use it very often to build using CE's, or to get a blueprint into the corrent postion, align/measure things. So I doubt it is an edge-case at all.

[Cassian]

Originally posted by Far-Seeker:

Originally posted by Indrasil:

Yeah, that's for simplicity's sake.
You have to build temporary scaffolding that provides different planes of rotation.

I suppose in space this usually isn't necessary as well.

I do think Emperyon did a decent job with having a fairly intuitive way to flip through different axes of rotation.

agreed

[Gristle]

Originally posted by Indrasil:

It's not an edge case at all. I can confidently say that a solid 1/4 of the blocks I place, I need scaffolding for.
I would like to propose a solution. Holding R and scrolling the mouse wheel would rotate a brick like it does now. Holding Shift+R and scrolling the mouse wheel would rotate it along a different plane. Two planes of rotation would be enough to skip the scaffolding and would not introduce any more keybinds, aside from the scroll wheel, which the players use anyway, but in this instance, its use would be contextual. I've been told that StarMade uses a similar solution. We would need some UI arrows to appear around the block the moment the block rotation context is engaged, for the player to clearly understand, which way the block will turn upon each keybind combo.

Needing Scaffolding is not an edge case at all. I like Indrasil's suggestion for how to handle this.

[Musashi917]

Yeah that hold Shift-R plus scrollwheel could work. Actually I could simply do just hold R plus scrollwheel, it would make more sense. I am adding that to my to-do list, I will give it a shot.

[seehp]

Cool, thanks!

Hold R might also be good. Or simply add a customisable modifier key :D

[av.wright]

This is still an issue, particularliy for rotating things like cockpit canopies.