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kyrillik Dec 26, 2018 @ 2:26am
Get Woke, Go Broke
This game was on my wishlist since release, now there is no way in hell I'm gonna buy it. What's really offensive is your recent actions. Kinda expected more common sense from a Czech developer, but whatever. You do you.
Last edited by kyrillik; Dec 26, 2018 @ 2:27am
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swenor Dec 26, 2018 @ 2:57am 
Set up your own company and act according to your vision at your own expense. Your lost copy won't hurt them.
kyrillik Dec 26, 2018 @ 6:27am 
Genderfield V is already 50% off, one month after release. So yeah, "just don't buy our game" is a perfect business strategy. Judging from the forums, this is a PR disaster, and we're talking about a small and vulnerable indie studio. I feel sorry for them, actually.
Trypetide Dec 26, 2018 @ 6:47am 
@kyrillik
Well, the game nearly used all it's selling potential a long time ago anyway, so I don't think they would feel that insecure, revenue wise. But they clearly are imposing on them a situation that would have easily been avoided (and didn't even exist until now, actually).
I really hope to see them react properly soon, as their next game will be released before long.
Kerberos Dec 26, 2018 @ 7:55am 
Originally posted by sense:
Your lost copy won't hurt them.
Reputation is earned over the years but lost in one day

VB Driver Dec 26, 2018 @ 8:21am 
Originally posted by sense:
Set up your own company and act according to your vision at your own expense. Your lost copy won't hurt them.
LOL. And then you call those people and their game "nazi bigots" like you did with Kingdom Come.

But it's not just his lost copy. It's majority of Amanita fan base.
ognar Dec 26, 2018 @ 1:22pm 
Originally posted by sense:
Set up your own company and act according to your vision at your own expense. Your lost copy won't hurt them.
Its not only ONE copy lost.

And also their reputation is ruined (Mostly because they are Czech developers and we Czech people are from some reason very proud to Czech games, so basically no matter if you are interested in that game or not, you will buy that game just to support your fellow Czech developers, and trust me, SJW is not a thing in Czech republic not at all. Actually Czech people really hates SJW and similar ****, so yea by changing Chuchels color Amanita lost most of their fans they have builded for years...
Tripas Dec 27, 2018 @ 6:55am 
All the noise you people keep making just draws attention to the game. Hell, it's what made me notice the game, so now I bought it.

Because it looked like a fun game, I enjoyed Machinarium, the art looks adorable... and apparently this change annoys the right kind of people ;) .

Sold!
Trypetide Dec 27, 2018 @ 7:50am 
Good for you, @Winnie the Jinping.

Next time, while trying hard to be as sarcastic as you think you are, try harder into thinking of all the people that originally paid and fully supported (not buying a few bucks like you) the game at release, as surely many did with their previous game.

Think of them, as they just learned that something made, bought and loved "as is" got changed without warning nor offering a way to still play it "as is" because some individuals decided to put something totally unrelated and stretched to oblivion on a game with no ties, intentions, and objectively no credible rapprochement to make with this joke of an idea to use like this "blackface" thingy. Oh, and the fact that's also anti-consumer, you know... The obvious.

But hey, that's kind of ironic seeing you typing all this with a "Pooh" avatar too closely related to racists connotations... Say hi to "Tigger" for us.
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Tripas Dec 27, 2018 @ 8:02am 
And if everything that took for the game you "bought and loved" to be ruined was a color scheme change without racist conotations, then clearly you didn't love the game for what it actually was.

Also, I'd love to know how exactly a Pooh avatar is "racist" now. I mean, I COULD use a good laugh out of whatever nonsense you're going to say next to support that little pearl of wisdom.
lastbreath Dec 27, 2018 @ 8:10am 
Originally posted by Trypetide:
the game nearly used all it's selling potential
What about their next game? It lost its potential even before sales!
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Trypetide Dec 27, 2018 @ 9:42am 
"With racism conotations (sic)" that weren't there in the first place. That's called "projection".
Also, it seems easy for you to occult the fact that people like to put things were there are none to put in the first place. Like you, apparently. A nice biased vision of the world. Noted.

But hey, what could be expected from someone that doesn't really read what others say, nor is really interested in the first place, nitpicking exactly what pleases him just for the sake of it.
Because... If I was to judge, doing this would mean you accept anti-consumer practices, so by extension this should also make it pretty clear that you really are short-sighted on the subject.

Ahhh... And please, stop your condescension =]

You, and pearl of wisdom-chan, want to know why this whole blackface thing is dubious as hell? Because of the way people try hard to attach/find "problematic" topics where there are none to begin with.

If we were to take the same road as what Chuchel detractors are doing, your Pooh avatar can totally be attached to racist connotations because of what imagery can be extracted from the character "Tigger". Between the whole concept and personality of his, to the way the name is spelled, we could surely be able to construct a whole theory on "Tigger is racist against black people". I'm sure it IS laughable to go so far to find something racist in this little world of Pooh.

But that's exactly the point.

Or what... Will you reaaaaally be offended by Manji's wardrobe[static2.minitokyo.net] and name from the manga "Mugen no Juunin" too? After all, whenever someone sees a symbol like ♥, I'm sure they would obviously feel repulsed and try to stop it from being shown by any means.
We just have to forget that they're in the wrong, and boom... Anti-racism wins again, yeah~

That's what is called taking things out of context, and in Chuchel case you can add a big "stretching it too far" perk.

If someone rational and not ignorant look at THIS[pbs.twimg.com] and immediately think of blackface, then they need help ASAP. You would be surprised at how many black people are laughing at this new color of his, right now. (Hint: many)

Now, this game was done in a certain way for many reasons, not just for the fancies and spirits. Even Amanita themselves talked about how difficult it was to find another color for him just so the game doesn't break visually and mechanically speaking. You apparently can't even understand that but that's OK, again. I don't judge =]

But don't spit your bile on others for caring about something other than just "a color scheme".

Oh and, whatever you would think of me, I really don't care about the new color.
I just want people to be able to choose between the two, like it should have been done.
You know, the "OK, now nobody can't b*tch about it! That was the way to go!" move~

Originally posted by lastbreath:
What about their next game? It lost its potential even before sales!

It surely lost some, that's another debate entirely though.
I'll still look into it, as I at least want to see how Floex did the sound design and music for this one. Again, we'll see how things goes over time, and how Amanita (if they ever try) will communicate on the subject in the coming weeks/months.
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Tripas Dec 27, 2018 @ 10:22am 
Originally posted by Trypetide:
But hey, what could be expected from someone that doesn't really read what others say, nor is really interested in the first place, nitpicking exactly what pleases him just for the sake of it.

Speaking from experience there, I take it?

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Because... If I was to judge, doing this would mean you accept anti-consumer practices, so by extension this should also make it pretty clear that you really are short-sighted on the subject.

Oh, this is your definition of "anti-consumer", is it? I mean, in an industry filled with lying, bullshots, DLC up the nose, content cut out to sell later, microtransactions and other practices of "screw the consumer, squeeze money out of them now"... you're throwing "they've changed the color of a character" into that pile.

Cute. You sure are showing you know what you're talking about here.

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Ahhh... And please, stop your condescension =]

What, you don't like the competition in that department?

Originally posted by Trypetide:
If we were to take the same road as what Chuchel detractors are doing, your Pooh avatar can totally be attached to racist connotations because of what imagery can be extracted from the character "Tigger". Between the whole concept and personality of his, to the way the name is spelled, we could surely be able to construct a whole theory on "Tigger is racist against black people". I'm sure it IS laughable to go so far to find something racist in this little world of Pooh.

Oh, so the way how my avatar might be racist... involves a character that isn't even IN the avatar. Brilliant, that sure compares with the whole "this character looks like a blackface with little limbs".

Although I have to thank you on one aspect: I said I needed a laugh with whatever nonsense you had to justify your "Pooh is racist" thing, and you sure delivered.

:wizorblaugh: :wizorblaugh: :wizorblaugh:

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Or what... Will you reaaaaally be offended by Manji's wardrobe[static2.minitokyo.net] and name from the manga "Mugen no Juunin" too? After all, whenever someone sees a symbol like ♥, I'm sure they would obviously feel repulsed and try to stop it from being shown by any means.

Awww, that's cute, you're bringing up a swastika, like I've never seen it before outside of WWII Germans (and some of the people spouting the same nonsense you do).

Protip: don't ever look up anything that has to do with Bleach or Ichigo's Bankai. Otherwise you'll have to come face to face with a little thing called LOCALIZATION, where they had to remove all the swastikas in that manga.

Because when you have a global market you have to be aware of what certain symbols mean in the different cultures you're selling it to.

That's why they had to remove the swastikas in Bleach. That's why a KFC parody in some recent game couldn't keep its name of "KKK" outside of Japan. That's why crosses in videogames have been replaced with various other things for DECADES now. And that's why having a character that looks like a blackface might be something you don't want to do if you plan to sell something around the world.

Originally posted by Trypetide:
We just have to forget that they're in the wrong, and boom... Anti-racism wins again, yeah~

That's what is called taking things out of context, and in Chuchel case you can add a big "stretching it too far" perk.

You mean like you did with that whole "Tigger" joke of an excuse you had?

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Now, this game was done in a certain way for many reasons, not just for the fancies and spirits. Even Amanita themselves talked about how difficult it was to find another color for him just so the game doesn't break visually and mechanically speaking. You apparently can't even understand that but that's OK, again. I don't judge =]

And you don't know about localization, something that's been around for decades before you were even born.

Originally posted by Trypetide:
But don't spit your bile on others for caring about something other than just "a color scheme".

No, seriously, the rest of the game is all there. It's still charming, the content is all there, the humor, the ease of play, the creativity... it just has a differently colored character. And that's the thing that made you dislike the thing you "bought and loved" before?

Yeah, if the color of the character was the one thing that made or break how much you loved the game, then everything I said still stands.

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Oh and, whatever you would think of me, I really don't care about the new color.

Clearly. :cgrazz:

Originally posted by Trypetide:
Originally posted by lastbreath:
What about their next game? It lost its potential even before sales!

It surely lost some, that's another debate entirely though.
I'll still look into it, as I at least want to see how Floex did the sound design and music for this one. Again, we'll see how things goes over time, and how Amanita (if they ever try) will communicate on the subject in the coming weeks/months.

Aww, that's adorable. You people think anyone cares about all the ins and outs of this videogame as much as you do.

Spoiler alert: the next game will make or break on the exact same factors of all the other games: it's exposure to potential buyers, how visible it is and how much its concept grabs their attention.

People as a rule already don't care about the ins and outs of big companies like EA, Activision and Ubisoft when they buy their games... and you think anyone is going to give a rat's behind about any of this when the next Amanita game comes out?

What drugs are you people on, and can I have some, please? :wizorblaugh:
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Lamkin Dec 27, 2018 @ 11:08am 
Floex is not doing the music for Creaks:

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/10/09/amanita-announce-creaks-new-adventure/

“Amanita tell us that artist and designer Radim Jurda is heading up Creaks, with composer and multi-instrumentalist Joe Acheson on soundtrack, both in-game and for the trailer.”


Last edited by Lamkin; Dec 27, 2018 @ 11:08am
Trypetide Dec 27, 2018 @ 11:38am 
Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Speaking from experience there, I take it?
Can't even reverse a statement right, dodge the point.
Next.

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
(..) Cute. You sure are showing you know what you're talking about here.
Still dodging, while considering that changing a color is as simple as saying it.
Indeed, cute.
Next.

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
What, you don't like the competition in that department?
Implying there was any (damn, that ego of yours).
Next~

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Oh, so the way how my avatar might be racist... involves a character that isn't even IN the avatar.
News flash: you don't need to BE the direct subject to have connotations attached to you.
"Winnie the Pooh" isn't just a character: it's a whole brand and universe (incredible, I know).
But that's what you get for nitpicking... Didn't see the obvious right away. It happens.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Although I have to thank you on one aspect: I said I needed a laugh with whatever nonsense you had to justify your "Pooh is racist" thing, and you sure delivered.
Only, it was an example of "how idiotic logic can be blindly applied to anything", not a fact. Yeah, I know... Being smug while thinking that you sound smart to place a second time this tiny bait here too sure was a blast, right?

At least I can thank you on that aspect: seeing you going right into it was a good laugh.
[/i]*insert whatever game's laughing emoji here*[/i]

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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Awww, that's cute, you're bringing up a swastika, like I've never seen it before outside of WWII Germans (and some of the people spouting the same nonsense you do).
Oh my, another individual that seemingly knows things but can't objectively use them to make a proper opinion. That's new.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Protip (sic) don't ever look up anything that has to do with Bleach or Ichigo's Bankai. Otherwise you'll have to come face to face with a little thing called LOCALIZATION, where they had to remove all the swastikas in that manga.
Protip: don't assume everyone need to push censorship to the extreme everywhere on earth and use some's actions as "the only way to do it" while putting it in as "just localisation". And if you were really involved in the discussion, you would have used the same example as mine, Mugen no Juunin (aka Blade of the Immortal) because they did the same thing to it in the US. Does that justify "having to do it"? Nope. They just didn't want to bother leaving the art as intended and explaining as a footnote what is a swatiska and why nothing Nazi is associated to it.

But hey, people could have been shocked with Zangetsu & co in Bleach.
This manga escaped such an ill-fate ending.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Because when you have a global market you have to be aware of what certain symbols mean in the different cultures you're selling it to.
Ahhh.. The eternal "global market" that only means "Us Americans" with just a second thought for others. Anyway.

In numerous countries directly involved largely more than the US in WWII, there isn't any censorship applied on Bleach or MnJ, only because they can read notes and think twice before putting into fire something eventually mistaken as something else. Yeah, even in Shounen they can do that... Little Europeans are so smart, sometimes. You should try it, it feels nice.

Just...
Being aware doesn't mean full censorship. Localization doesn't need to be black and white. Well, when done right anyway...
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
That's why they had to remove the (...varied thrown examples...). And that's why having a character that looks like a blackface might be something you don't want to do if you plan to sell something around the world.

Sure. When you don't really care about your product original concept, nor if there really a big risk for it to not sell because of said topic. Something that is clearly not what happened to Chuchel. Otherwis the whole Internet would be painted in Amanita being racist since March. You should know how quick things degenerate these days.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
You mean like you did with that whole "Tigger" joke of an excuse you had?

OH! You ~nearly~ understood this example, after all.
Nearly because that wasn't an "excuse", that was hyperbolic. So close... =']
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
And you don't know about localization, something that's been around for decades before you were even born.
Oh stating facts. You like that. Too bad that's the same badly managed argument as above.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
No, seriously, the rest of the game is all there. It's still charming, the content is all there, the humor, the ease of play, the creativity... it just has a differently colored character. And that's the thing that made you dislike the thing you "bought and loved" before?
Do you really read or... *sigh*
I don't care about the color change, I care about the way it was done and the lack of choice for past customers. Read this multiple time, I'm sure you can understand it if you try harder.
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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Clearly. :cgrazz:
Clearly you can't read *place an "I have other game's emoji" here*

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Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Aww, that's adorable. You people think anyone cares about all the ins and outs of this videogame as much as you do.

Nope. Who said that again?
My gosh, your so full of yourself.
Maybe you don't care THAT much about others...
That's still cute, indeed.

Neeeext.

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
Spoiler alert: the next game will make or break on the exact same factors of all the other games: it's exposure to potential buyers, how visible it is and how much its concept grabs their attention.

Cool. Like we don't know already...

N-E-X-T

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
People as a rule already don't care about the ins and outs of big companies like EA, Activision and Ubisoft when they buy their games...
And still they can express themselves when something done badly happens not related to all this easy targets.
It's like they have a sixth sense for this stuff...
I don't know what you're trying to pull here, but that's clearly moot from the start.
Putting everyone in the same bag, even... Ah la la.

*whispered next*

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
and you think anyone is going to give a rat's behind about any of this when the next Amanita game comes out?
Again... No?
I just said "why" I was looking into for their next game, at the very least.
You really should stop trying so hard... =']

つぎ

Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
What drugs are you people on, and can I have some, please? :wizorblaugh:

Oh my, so edgy and fresh.

So in short. You have a really biased view of the world, you don't really care to look beyond things a little, you assume a lot and still manage to win the Internet while pratically occulting the real problems at hand. Yeah, I don't know what you need, but drugs wouldn't help you.

Cheers~

Originally posted by Lamkin:
Floex is not doing the music for Creaks:

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/10/09/amanita-announce-creaks-new-adventure/

“Amanita tell us that artist and designer Radim Jurda is heading up Creaks, with composer and multi-instrumentalist Joe Acheson on soundtrack, both in-game and for the trailer.”

Mhhh. Hidden Orchestra's huh?
Well. A bit less interested but will still check it out when released.
Thanks for the missed tips, Lamkin~
KCadventure Dec 27, 2018 @ 11:53am 
Originally posted by Winnie the Jinping:
All the noise you people keep making just draws attention to the game. Hell, it's what made me notice the game, so now I bought it.

Because it looked like a fun game, I enjoyed Machinarium, the art looks adorable... and apparently this change annoys the right kind of people ;) .

Sold!
It really is a lovely game. More sparse in design than Machinarium but still has the world-building and humour of other Amanita games.
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