Please replace the AI art

[druzilsupreme]

I understand its a small team, but I would love to buy this game and I can't do that when AI art is included.

[Tiger Wolf]

Like I said in the other thread, zero worries man, I'll buy an extra copy to gift to my BFF to make up for it.

[druzilsupreme]

Originally posted by Tiger Wolf:

Like I said in the other thread, zero worries man, I'll buy an extra copy to gift to my BFF to make up for it.

...cool for you?

[peppergomez]

Can't or won't? What are you, some kind of ludditte?

[Saint Mattis]

I'll buy extra copies too, I'm not sensitive about the art choice.

[druzilsupreme]

Generative AI steals the work of artists without compensating them, while wasting massive amounts of energy to drive climate change.

It does this in a way that creates worse art, which is further scraped by AI, to generate increasingly lower quality AI slop, that further enshittifies the internet.

Can't is probably a better term than won't here, as I've been following this game for a long time and was excited to be a day 1 early access buyer to help the developers fund their vision, but I'm now not able to do that as I don't want to contribute to the above issues.

And in the sense that yes I believe people should be compensated for their work then yes I agree with some of the beliefs of the Luddite movement.

[Silveressa]

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

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Can't is probably a better term than won't here, as I've been following this game for a long time and was excited to be a day 1 early access buyer to help the developers fund their vision, but I'm now not able to do that as I don't want to contribute to the above issues.

And in the sense that yes I believe people should be compensated for their work then yes I agree with some of the beliefs of the Luddite movement.

It's worth noting the devs have already said the artwork was based on their own artists creations passed through an A.I filter, so in this case I would say there's already a meat medium involved in the process that already received some kind of monetary compensation?

Beyond that, the whole *funding* bit, if they're already strapped for cash and forced to release into EA to help cover continued development, where exactly are they supposed to come up with the money to hire additional artists at this juncture? (Maybe by EA selling copies?)

If it comes down to a game going with ai assisted art and still seeing a 1.0 release, or turning into abandonware with everyone who backed it left with empty pockets and pile of shovelware, I'd much rather see (and support) the title that will actually turn into a final product then the one that'll leave everyone unhappy, devs included.

[druzilsupreme]

Originally posted by Lady Wolf:

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

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Can't is probably a better term than won't here, as I've been following this game for a long time and was excited to be a day 1 early access buyer to help the developers fund their vision, but I'm now not able to do that as I don't want to contribute to the above issues.

And in the sense that yes I believe people should be compensated for their work then yes I agree with some of the beliefs of the Luddite movement.

It's worth noting the devs have already said the artwork was based on their own artists creations passed through an A.I filter, so in this case I would say there's already a meat medium involved in the process that already received some kind of monetary compensation?

Beyond that, the whole *funding* bit, if they're already strapped for cash and forced to release into EA to help cover continued development, where exactly are they supposed to come up with the money to hire additional artists at this juncture? (Maybe by EA selling copies?)

If it comes down to a game going with ai assisted art and still seeing a 1.0 release, or turning into abandonware with everyone who backed it left with empty pockets and pile of shovelware, I'd much rather see (and support) the title that will actually turn into a final product then the one that'll leave everyone unhappy, devs included.

Sure, I understand that.

The artists scraped to power Midjourney weren't compensated however.

They also stated that they will potentially revisit replacing these assets with non-AI art, based on feedback. I'd really like to see this game succeed. I'm super disappointed I don't get to play it currently.

[Tiger Wolf]

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

I'm super disappointed I don't get to play it currently.

Don't you mean "Choose not to play it?" Nothing stopping you from playing it and giving the devs that extra cash they need to actually replace the assets with non AI art.

Help me understand why should these devs get blamed for Midjourney's decisions? It's not as if they are responsible for how Midjourney runs their business.

[druzilsupreme]

I'm not blaming anybody for their choices, and I'm not attacking you or the devs.

I explained above why I use the word "can't" but sure if it's important to you we can change the language to "choose". I've explained my reasoning above already.

[Tiger Wolf]

I'm not defensive or upset about it, (after all, I'm already buying an extra copy so you can still help the devs without sacrificing your ethical stance) just seeking an understanding of your reasoning for my own sense of curiosity, sorry if it came across as accusatory or something,

[druzilsupreme]

Originally posted by Tiger Wolf:

I'm not defensive or upset about it, (after all, I'm already buying an extra copy so you can still help the devs without sacrificing your ethical stance) just seeking an understanding of your reasoning for my own sense of curiosity, sorry if it came across as accusatory or something,

Oh no stress. They stated in the AI disclaimer that they would be looking at feedback in terms of whether they replace these assets, hence my post.

To put it another way: if I pay for something that I feel makes art & the internet worse, I would feel bad while playing it.

[ZombieBisque]

People really need to get over AI, it's not going away and it will become another standard tool for the art industry in the same way photography has.

[pan Pingas]

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

Generative AI steals the work of artists without compensating them

AI steals nothing. It's called progress. Do you feel sorry for weavers and lamplighters too?

Originally posted by druzilsupreme:

To put it another way: if I pay for something that I feel makes art & the internet worse, I would feel bad while playing it.

Sure, AI art is not good enough for now, but you pay not for make art worse, but quite opposite.

[druzilsupreme]

Originally posted by ZombieBisque:

People really need to get over AI, it's not going away and it will become another standard tool for the art industry in the same way photography has.

I mean, its insanely unprofitable, environmentally destructive, and has stopped improving its outputs so I think its fair to say its already contracting.

We all get to draw our own lines. I've come around to accepting it as a tool in the pipeline, but for me the line is when its used to create a final product.

[Drakken]

You better get used to the IA, soon, IA will be everywhere, and alot of people will loose their job, devs first on the list. OpenAI is already used by everyone in this industry.