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So we travelled to our narrative team, sat down with them and started to ask your questions.
Well. To cut it short, their answer to each of your assumption was: Interesting point. Never saw it that way. What do you think? And they smiled at us. Smiled!
The only definitive answer they gave us was to questuion 4... and their answer was...
No. But I think they were trying to mislead us.
Maybe you shouldn't ask our authors directly. Maybe you want to share your thoughts with the people out there, who saw what you saw. How about it? Discuss.
2) my first guess was it's the monster again, but someone else guessed it's his daughter. Shrug. Maybe it's Marlon Brando offering Ashe an offer he can't refuse.
3) my guess is it's Ashe's imagination, it's how he wanted to see her but he's delusional. My best argument for why she isn't real is: do you ever see her INTERACT with your followers? I don't think they can see or hear her. Although she reports on them, they don't talk to her or acknowledge her in any way. She also never reports information that Ashe himself couldn't have guessed, they're just emotional impressions like "oh Rhyme looks sad" and stuff like that.
Maybe the followers think Ashe is crazy when he greets his daughter like talking to thin air but they just don't talk about it since he's providing them shelter and is a nice guy besides that part
My interpretation is that it's just symbolic of Ashe's growth, now he can move on with his life now that he has ended his personal circle of torment.
The Eclipse is not even very clear to me. Does it just refer to that trash moon? And the shadowy figure at the end at least opens the possibility that the world isn't cleansed. I don't remember Ashe was happy to see the face.
1. As said before, I also dont think its his fault, it was more of a thing noone could have known will happen with the experiment.
2. Thats a good question, I guess it was either his daughter again (The real monster one or even his imagination) or the Ghost, most likely his imagination.
3. I agree on her being imagination.
4. The plant does dissappear in this blue fashion like his imaginary daughter did, so i guess he imagines it too. Its more of a cleansing of his own than of the whole world in a second.
Im rather asking myself how all this "pact" stuff can be. If the "things" already are on earth and terrorize the humans, how does one person asking for something make them so much stronger? (I guess thats why the Shadowthingy did the pact)
The Astronauts are reporting about the Eclipse-trashmoon right after the experiment, so it was generated there. Ash obviously didnt make the deal before the moon appeared (he says something like "I know youre up there")
So im wondering how this single deal would make it stronger or even bind it to him. There are surely lots of wannabe-cultist walking around and offering them to the monsters, so there needs to be something special about Ash. Besides it also seems like the shadow (I guess its the leader of the invasion) is not happy to be bound to Ash as its always talking him down while being powerless.
Another thing bothering me is how Ash killing his own now dead family would break the pact. It was bringing his family back for X (No idea what the shadow got, being bound to him?), Ash killing them should not affect the shadow at any point since it did what he asks. If you buy a car and then destroy it it doesnt break the contract or anything...
Which leads me to the conclusion that the ending might be far darker than it seems, that the shadow behind him is still the monster-shadow which just tricked him into thinking he got rid of him and the whole apocalypse is still full going.
(My impression in the EA was that Ash bound that thing on himself, thats why it wants him to die all the time so its free. Guessed Ash had to get to the eclipse to throw himself and it back into its dimension so the world is free again)
And like I said in another post, I'm pretty sure Ashe made TWO pacts. The first pact was to bring his family back. There's nothing he can do to "go back" on that deal, since like you said it's like a car deal you buy it then it's yours. But the second pact is what I think binds Ashe into the "circle of torment." where he tries to find a way to save his daughter.
There's some evidence that there is a second pact; look at the slideshow at the end you see a bird in a cage being milked for blood and the blood spills into a ritual circle (the same circle you see in the crypt!!!)
Also, it's pretty clear that the intention of this ritual is to buy time. Ashe tells his daughter to wait for him and she says (in her creepy voice) don't make me wait too long daddy.
By killing his family he nullifies the SECOND pact since he no longer has a daughter to save. It's kind of like saying well I'll buy the car when it arrives form the manufacterer but then you secretly sabotaged the car in production so it never gets shipped, there's no more deal. Yeah you cheated but that's kind of the point, Ashe cheated the eldritch.
2. Unknown, but it doesn't appear to be monster otherwise Ash would have been spooked or fought back right off the bat. Something else, perhaps what was left of Inner Voice power remained and truelyreturned his daughter this time as a gift?
3. She isn't really there, just an illusion created by the Inner Voice to satisfy Ash's loss, if it was even remotely real, why did he not bring both back? Seems like a power limit of the Inner Voice/Eclipse
4. Either both of them are in a better place, or as in 3. the girl has been returned. Note to self, Ash dies but is alive everytime and a flame goes out, if this is the power of the eclipse/Inner Voice, what would stop it from actually resurrecting 1 person back to reality?
I don't think we seen the last of the Inner Voice either, the ending could imply DLC of something malignant on earth. A Seed has been planted...but its not a plant.
There was only One Pact, that is to bring his daughter back ( doubt he will bring both back for sake of power), so the Pact came with a twisted wish. Like a bad genie that says careful what you wish for, if you don't word it right with a disclaimer, he can twist you wish into his favor. That is what the inner voice did, he can die, but doing so results in losing a flame, once all go out. Inner Voice takes him too and nullifies the pact to control and corrupt earth.
The circle of torment (the circle you see in the crypt! and in the cinematic)I think is something quite important, but the purpose of this was never fully disclosed.
And like I said earlier, if the shadow is the eldritch guy again then it doesn't have any lasting impact.
The experiment actually should have only lasted a few nanoseconds as predicted and should have caused no ill effects.
The actual culprit was a secret biological weapon planted by Ray Frayser from radio WBFG along with some protesters - hence how the protesters knew about the red veil, since they were never allowed to visit the site despite claims of doing so.
Therefore the veil interacted unexpectedly with the experiment causing a rift to another dimension and summoning a spirit.
However the spirit is not inherently evil and all it did was fulfill the wishes of people. So the great calamity that occurred was in fact caused by the wishes of all of humanity clashing against each other.
However this clash is not physical, in fact what happened was people's wishes were so incompatible that they ended up being separated into bubble dimensions.
Ash's real wish was to be a great hero saving and caring for his family, which was caused by having a remote desk/plumbing job and being so distanced from them. His wish to resurrect them is merely playing out this bigger dream.
So in fact Ash's real family are alive and well, but are inhabiting their own separate dimension bubbles - the ones in his world are virtual.
Breaking of the pact is symbolic of Ash's realization that his dream is shallow and his desire to reunite with his real family.
Unfortunately by the time this occurs, his wife has died of old age and he follows suit short after without the chance of meeting his now middle aged daughter.
In the meantime his daughter was among the first people to break away from the delusion, however unlike her father she didn't care to reunite with her familty.
Instead she took the opportunity of mass anarchy to plant herself as the CEO of Hello Kitty!
By the time all people had woken up and the spirit was banished, Hello Kitty Corp. is the de-facto ruler of the new hellscape that is Earth.
Oh another plot twist: Ashe is actually Dr Nash, he just decided to make his last name his first name and add an E at the end during an identity crisis he while beefarming.
Unfortunately I believe that's licensed by the actual Hello Kitty corp. :/