New Developer Blog Post

[ChopperGunner[NL]]

Developer Blog Post #2
https://hawkenreborn.com/devblog2/

[Ichirou Kawashima]

They seem to believe that movement and repairs make the game more enjoyable.

[T the light tank]

Wow, its amazing that they wrote so much to say so little. Out of this entire block of text not one mention of the fact the game is broken but the microtransaction shop works perfectly.

Considering they didn't give a thought about what most people complained about, I expect this game to die pretty soon.

Edit: Yknow all this funnily enough reminds me of the War Thunder situation. Thousands of words and not one actual answer. Lots of promises though. No action yet.

[Spazz 'Em]

Yeah, that IS a lot of words just to not say a whole heck of a lot. I can appreciate the sentiment though, and really, what else COULD they have said at this stage.

The talk about repair drones and how they'd ruin the system kind of made me sad though. It illustrated very clearly that they are DEDICATED to this "free-to-play" model where you're expected to grind your fingers down to the nubs for progress.... "...Oooorr, you could just pay us some cash to buy that thing you want instead!?!? Eh? Eeeeh??? C'MON!"

I feel like they'd be catching at least a BIT less flak if this PvE game that's (currently) only single player was actually PRICED that way, instead of being priced like some PvP skinner box affair. If it was, say $5 (USD) right now, WITHOUT the macrotransaction BS, and they just came right out and said: "Look, it's $5 right now in Oily Excess, by the time it releases it'll be $40, and we will NEVER sell pay-to-win/progress items, ONLY cosmetic items." that'd be just dandy. And probably be a tiny bit less rage inspiring for all the people that heard "HAWKEN" and came running.

Personally, I kind of welcome the pivot to PvE... But NOT with all the predatory pricing practices and always online of PvP thrown in to boot. THAT is too much.

[ChopperGunner[NL]]

Originally posted by Spazz 'Em:

Yeah, that IS a lot of words just to not say a whole heck of a lot. I can appreciate the sentiment though, and really, what else COULD they have said at this stage.

The talk about repair drones and how they'd ruin the system kind of made me sad though. It illustrated very clearly that they are DEDICATED to this "free-to-play" model where you're expected to grind your fingers down to the nubs for progress.... "...Oooorr, you could just pay us some cash to buy that thing you want instead!?!? Eh? Eeeeh??? C'MON!"

I feel like they'd be catching at least a BIT less flak if this PvE game that's (currently) only single player was actually PRICED that way, instead of being priced like some PvP skinner box affair. If it was, say $5 (USD) right now, WITHOUT the macrotransaction BS, and they just came right out and said: "Look, it's $5 right now in Oily Excess, by the time it releases it'll be $40, and we will NEVER sell pay-to-win/progress items, ONLY cosmetic items." that'd be just dandy. And probably be a tiny bit less rage inspiring for all the people that heard "HAWKEN" and came running.

Personally, I kind of welcome the pivot to PvE... But NOT with all the predatory pricing practices and always online of PvP thrown in to boot. THAT is too much.

As long as we give this kind of feedback to them, they'll have to listen. I'm glad they admitted their mistakes here and that the game is in a bad shape right now. We'll have to give them time I suppose to fix things and set things right.

[Hard Core Rikki]

Feedback on released code will always be limiting and depend on playerbase being active.

If theyre serious about improving the game, they need some ambassador players being a part of the development pipeline and internal testing loop - if just so they can identify pain points and bring experience closer to the original hawken's. Unavoidable imo, I suspect many devs werent familiar with hawken and improvised their way.

[Oktakon]

i got absolutely no issues with your PvE models aprt from the BS microtranscats on crappy items that can evertually be unlocked after loseing some IQ points doing it.... and eventually at some point ill try the online PvE that would actually give this game some merit back but to me once again.... it sounds like you...... focused on your financial models first....... then....... built a shell of an IP around it that im sure didnt cost you much at all considering it was sunsetted for along while now....... and now well at lest your PR and marketing guys are earning whatever peanuts was promised them ... great story broski

[ShadyCatnipDealer]

This game isn't Warframe, so idk why you want a PVE angle outside of a money making micro-transaction BS scheme... and the player fan base is interested in PVP. At the very least you could just implement both game states. You're literally just trying to drag up an IP from the grave Frankenstein style and then kill it again.

[Cathulhu]

There is some kind of irony that they claim they heard us by not allowing us to comment on the news:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/705040/eventcomments/3841053598851051948/

[mzd]

all I got out of their post is "PVE is easy to develop and makes a lot of money, PVP is harder to develop and make money on so we're not gonna do it"

i mean i suppose i'd expect that from a game dev who's biggest project was porting terraria to consoles but man, DR Studios does not deserve HAWKEN

[LeanivBirb]

Originally posted by ShadyCatnipDealer:

This game isn't Warframe, so idk why you want a PVE angle outside of a money making micro-transaction BS scheme... and the player fan base is interested in PVP. At the very least you could just implement both game states. You're literally just trying to drag up an IP from the grave Frankenstein style and then kill it again.

We need to understand something: a pvp only game, in today situation,will die in a short period. Does the Hawken fanbase is so big to allow a game like this to survive in the long run? Even huge companies like Ubisoft have f2p pvp titles that die in a span of months.

There's nothing wrong in going PVE. If what they said about the Hawken story that they want to develop from the comics is true,they have an entire universe to explore,and expand with the PVP in the future. They seems to want to do a similar thing of Warframe and Destiny,with the mentality of the extraction system of Tarkov (you cant heal 100% yourself properly in the match,only out of it)

IF they are capable of writing a proper narrative. The thing of the MC being unable to "communicate at all" seems like a huge bs,would be more acceptable the usual overused amnesia trope than this,even the other characters i feel like im being punched in the face on how annoying they are,specially the guy who rescues you at the start of the game (dont even get me started with other stuff,like sending soldiers with no cover whatsoever,with pea shooters,to attack a giant mech)

EDIT: Forgot about the AI thing. I call bs on that too. Always the usual excuse "the artist did it" yeah ok

[guggelfunsus]

i'm betting 10 bucks that "emotions" part at the beginning came from chat-gpt4

[Return-Blank]

As I said a couple of days ago: game format is unimportant; what counts is if it's well made, fun to play, solid, with soul, be it PvP, PvE or even just a scripted SP campaign.
IMAO.

[Doombunny]

Originally posted by carp:

all I got out of their post is "PVE is easy to develop and makes a lot of money, PVP is harder to develop and make money on so we're not gonna do it"

Someone better tell that to blizzard, because they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up hardcore.

[CleverBird]

Feels weird that a company would hide behind the "There was COVID" excuse in 2023... How come so many other studios are doing just fine?

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by ShadyCatnipDealer:

This game isn't Warframe, so idk why you want a PVE angle outside of a money making micro-transaction BS scheme... and the player fan base is interested in PVP. At the very least you could just implement both game states. You're literally just trying to drag up an IP from the grave Frankenstein style and then kill it again.

Because every pure arena FPS game released since 2010 has failed. You have to offer something more than 'small team shoots small team in TDM forever.'