Can we just get the old Hawken back and update from there?

[☠Elimination☠]

Seriously, this "Reborn" thing is hot trash. The old game was sooooo good it just needed to be updated more than it was. The recipe for success is already there.

[Zenogs]

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Seriously, this "Reborn" thing is hot trash. The old game was sooooo good it just needed to be updated more than it was. The recipe for success is already there.

It brought 2 companies down, Not sure what recipe you are talking about, but it ain't a success one.

[☠Elimination☠]

Originally posted by Zenogs:

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Seriously, this "Reborn" thing is hot trash. The old game was sooooo good it just needed to be updated more than it was. The recipe for success is already there.

It brought 2 companies down, Not sure what recipe you are talking about, but it ain't a success one.

I mean thats what happens when you dont listen to the fans or update the game.

Technically its still going on consoles, just not PC. It just never gets any updates.

It was always a good game that suffered from lack of new content.

[Candidead]

Am I missing the revolutionary pvp game hawken was or something? I enjoyed playing it, but from what I remember, it always devolved into throwing bodies at choke points until someone lost. There wasn't much to it.

[Zenogs]

Originally posted by Gazobou:

Am I missing the revolutionary pvp game hawken was or something? I enjoyed playing it, but from what I remember, it always devolved into throwing bodies at choke points until someone lost. There wasn't much to it.

Ye same I do not remember the pvp being anything different from face tanking shots as you jump around like crazy XD

[Zenogs]

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Originally posted by Zenogs:

It brought 2 companies down, Not sure what recipe you are talking about, but it ain't a success one.

I mean thats what happens when you dont listen to the fans or update the game.

Technically its still going on consoles, just not PC. It just never gets any updates.

It was always a good game that suffered from lack of new content.

Because there was nothing to add they had everything a pvp game could have. And from what I recall community was extremely random asking for weird stuff that worked with some but did not work with others.

[☠Elimination☠]

Originally posted by Zenogs:

Originally posted by Gazobou:

Am I missing the revolutionary pvp game hawken was or something? I enjoyed playing it, but from what I remember, it always devolved into throwing bodies at choke points until someone lost. There wasn't much to it.

Ye same I do not remember the pvp being anything different from face tanking shots as you jump around like crazy XD

I mean this describes almost every shooter ever boiled down to its basics lmao.

I think it was the first real "hero" style shooter in that it had the different classes of mechs that fit into different spots. Theres a lot more they could have done with this formula if theyd stuck with it.

What ultimately killed Hawken originally for me personally, was when they introduced more powerful versions of mechs into the cash shop. Up until that point I was a regular player and absolutely loved the game.

Instead of making new maps and new classes of mech, they just made "upgraded" versions of the existing mechs with slightly better stats, which basically turned the game into a pay to win scenario. Even if you could grind them out eventually, it wasnt the content that people had been asking for and the game didnt last much longer after that.

[Daikatan]

Originally posted by Gazobou:

Am I missing the revolutionary pvp game hawken was or something? I enjoyed playing it, but from what I remember, it always devolved into throwing bodies at choke points until someone lost. There wasn't much to it.

There ARE reasons why passionate players STILL consider original hawken to be one of best mecha multiplayer games.

But ALSO it had problems, which led to failure of it, sadly.

https://youtu.be/-1niWL6G2o4?t=1171

[Zenogs]

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Originally posted by Zenogs:

Ye same I do not remember the pvp being anything different from face tanking shots as you jump around like crazy XD

I mean this describes almost every shooter ever boiled down to its basics lmao.

I think it was the first real "hero" style shooter in that it had the different classes of mechs that fit into different spots. Theres a lot more they could have done with this formula if theyd stuck with it.

What ultimately killed Hawken originally for me personally, was when they introduced more powerful versions of mechs into the cash shop. Up until that point I was a regular player and absolutely loved the game.

Instead of making new maps and new classes of mech, they just made "upgraded" versions of the existing mechs with slightly better stats, which basically turned the game into a pay to win scenario. Even if you could grind them out eventually, it wasnt the content that people had been asking for and the game didnt last much longer after that.

When you see company take that kind of predatory step it mean game is dying. The pvp crowd is just not sustainable in certain games e sports was not a thing back then and company did not have enough money to make big tournaments so they tried to make money trough p2w sadly in pvp game its suicide. And so this game went down togheter with the company the other company picked it up thinking it was simply mismanagement and suffered same outcome. This game can not survive as pvp game is impossible, but it can as pve game with arena as side activity. Like destiny 2

[matxbox360]

Originally posted by Zenogs:

it can as pve game with arena as side activity. Like destiny 2

i know you are banned but lol no, PvE focused with PvP as extra games only work in certain aspects and hawken reborn is certainly not one of them, if they add pvp then they would either force a change on stats, try to make pvp only gear or try to balance pve gear to make it less of a issue in pvp side, increasing dev time and breaking balance either on pve or pvp, which is what happened many, many, many times on destiny 2 with pvp crowd complaining that certain pve weapons/armors were too good for pvp and dev team disabling some items when they were utterly broken on pvp and pve.

and now i remember how everything wasn't good, they tried patchworking a few issues here and there but destiny 2 IS the best example of what not do to if your game is pve and you wish to add pvp.

[Vassago Rain]

Quite literally impossible at this stage without huge investments into reverse engineering the backend and mech construction, not to mention you'd need to learn necromancy to raise the dead adhesive UI/UX engineer that was the solo reason the game was operational in the first place.

[Vassago Rain]

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Originally posted by Zenogs:

It brought 2 companies down, Not sure what recipe you are talking about, but it ain't a success one.

I mean thats what happens when you dont listen to the fans or update the game.

Technically its still going on consoles, just not PC. It just never gets any updates.

It was always a good game that suffered from lack of new content.

New content is impossible without solving all the technical debt, aka reworking and reverse engineering all the beginner mistakes adhesive made. MWO got a new mech every month for years, while hawken only ever had the initial mechs, then gradually they finished the additional ones that were part of the 12/12/12 pitch.

It's why console hawken got some really bootleg looking mechs when it launched, made from spare rigs and parts, and that was it.

[matxbox360]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Quite literally impossible at this stage without huge investments into reverse engineering the backend and mech construction, not to mention you'd need to learn necromancy to raise the dead adhesive UI/UX engineer that was the solo reason the game was operational in the first place.

it's far easier to tell the current UI/UX designer to play hawakening and take some screenshots for study
this current mobile/console UI is painful to look at.

[Allwynd]

Originally posted by Vassago Rain:

Quite literally impossible at this stage without huge investments into reverse engineering the backend and mech construction, not to mention you'd need to learn necromancy to raise the dead adhesive UI/UX engineer that was the solo reason the game was operational in the first place.

Or they could've opened servers for the old game and not having to make a new game at all. it would have cost them less effort and money.

I don't understand why developers do this. There is always an old game that is shut down that players love and miss and then the developers come out with a new game and everyone gets excited, but the new game completely misses the mark.

Same happened with Block N Load 1. It was great when it was in beta, after it left beta it just kept getting worse, now it still has running servers, but it doesn't have enough players to start a match, so it's completely unplayable.

And what do the developers do? They make Block N Load 2 and me and others play the beta and the game completely misses the mark on everything the first game did well. People start asking the developers "why don't you just revive the old game?"... the developer answers "we don't have plans to revive the old game, you should play the new one instead".

This is completely crazy. Same is happening with Hawken right now.

[brownie689]

Originally posted by ☠Elimination☠:

Originally posted by Zenogs:

It brought 2 companies down, Not sure what recipe you are talking about, but it ain't a success one.

I mean thats what happens when you dont listen to the fans or update the game.

Technically its still going on consoles, just not PC. It just never gets any updates.

It was always a good game that suffered from lack of new content.

this^^^^

[Winblows]

mech warrior and hawken pvp are not games that appeal to the majority of gamers, no one wants to play tank facing games except mech people, and all mech people want to play is mech warrior online because its all they know and they have invested too much into it

general audience doesnt care and mech warrior fans have too much brain rot to leave mwo

just make hawken pvp a peer 2 peer game and leave it alone