Mostly Negative...

[ZealousFoX]

Mostly negative and not for the reasons it should be. Already put in a bit of time and I'm very much liking this bold new direction. Patrol Mode is basically what you get if you put Titanfall and Escape From Tarkov into a pure mech cockpit game play. But as a pure single player experience. Also at least for me, I had no hiccups at all. Everything ran smoothely and dialogue and such streamed/played just fine. I say this as this is a very early access build that (if the vets just shut the ♥♥♥♥ up and quit ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ because "no PVP" whaaah!

These folks would realize PVP is what ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OG Hawken in the first place. Whoch Reborn already has far more meat on its bones than OG Hawken ever did. So take them stupid nostyalgia glasses off and sucj up or piss off. Your feedback isn't feedback.

Now what I could see the devs doing in the future is having Patrol Mode be a mix of PVE and PVP where other players spawn in other transporters around the open world. But to even get something like that, would require the world to be more opened out and not just be the refuge. There's clear passion in this game already from the devs. Flagging the game because "No PVP" is not only ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid (as PVP is not the focus and was what hurt OG Hawken in the first place, I'll reiterate once more.), But for this game to succeed people need to put their big boy pants on and swallow their pride and breathe. I want to see where this goes. Not to have idiots scare off the devs in a just week after launch.

That is all.

[Cypherous]

Originally posted by ZealousFoX:

These folks would realize PVP is what ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OG Hawken in the first place.
That is all.

Not quite, what screwed it was poor balance and pay to win, PvP in and of itself didn't kill the game, and PvE won't save it, the OG game already had a PvE mode lol

As for where it goes, i'm predicting pretty much nowhere, there are vastly superior co-op games out there if you want that sort of thing, i don't see much of a market for this

[Fluox]

People are complaining about a forced tutorial and unskippable cutscenes, something damn near every game has rofl.

I'm not the type to yell "It's in early access you guyz!" but jesus, people are dumping on it for like the smallest reasons...

[ZealousFoX]

Originally posted by Cypherous:

Originally posted by ZealousFoX:

These folks would realize PVP is what ♥♥♥♥♥♥ OG Hawken in the first place.
That is all.

Not quite, what screwed it was poor balance and pay to win, PvP in and of itself didn't kill the game, and PvE won't save it, the OG game already had a PvE mode lol

As for where it goes, i'm predicting pretty much nowhere, there are vastly superior co-op games out there if you want that sort of thing, i don't see much of a market for this

There is always a market for games like this, because the competition is centered on PVP only. And when it comes to mech coop games, there's basically one and that has it's fare share of missteps. Here's a game that is delivering the story the OG forgot to pack despite marketing itself like is was rife with. You get decent sized campaign missions at the start (six currently) and you have a neat idea going with the Patrol Mode which can and mostly like will be expanded on. But the only way to do that is to give proper feedback. There's plenty of PVP centered mech games, there isn't however something like this and is free to play.

[ZealousFoX]

Originally posted by Fluox:

People are complaining about a forced tutorial and unskippable cutscenes, something damn near every game has rofl.

I'm not the type to yell "It's in early access you guyz!" but jesus, people are dumping on it for like the smallest reasons...

At least the tutorial was entertaining and I didn't feel like it was treating me like I'm an idiot. It gave you the basics, but still allowed you to freely go about the combat and movement. Few tutorials in F2P games do this.

[Green1]

There will be nothing to do for weeks after the first few hours and it will die. When everyone could've been enjoying PvP against each other until more content is released.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by Fluox:

People are complaining about a forced tutorial and unskippable cutscenes, something damn near every game has rofl.

I'm not the type to yell "It's in early access you guyz!" but jesus, people are dumping on it for like the smallest reasons...

I usually uninstall games where I can't skip cutscenes. I want to game, not watch a movie

[ZealousFoX]

Originally posted by Green1:

There will be nothing to do for weeks after the first few hours and it will die. When everyone could've been enjoying PvP against each other until more content is released.

It'll take a few hours to get to level 25? I don't think so. And PVP isn't essential right now as it'd be wiser to have a more competent and fleshed out open world/content than PVP will save the game, fallacy.

[LupisVolk]

Originally posted by Fluox:

I'm not the type to yell "It's in early access you guyz!" but jesus, people are dumping on it for like the smallest reasons...

There's times where i think Valve need to put an IQ limit to buying EA games. Because so many don't know what Early Access entails.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by LupisVolk:

Originally posted by Fluox:

I'm not the type to yell "It's in early access you guyz!" but jesus, people are dumping on it for like the smallest reasons...

There's times where i think Valve need to put an IQ limit to buying EA games. Because so many don't know what Early Access entails.

it's more like hawken fans are upset because this is only hawken in name

[Allwynd]

I made it my goal to play through all the missions and then see what Patrol was like, after I've played through all of that in 3.3 hours, I uninstalled the game and will probably never install it again.

Why I am not enjoying Hawken Reborn:

1. The art style and overall feeling of the game is completely different, the old game had maps and art style that looked quirky, weird, cool and kind of creepy. Here is an example of one map from the old Hawken game that looked really cool IMO and looks better than everything in Hawken Reborn combined:

https://hawken.fandom.com/wiki/Eugen_77

This is the map in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcT4hidXl4c

Hawken Reborn on the other hand has this very boring looking open world map that doesn't look interesting or appealing, it reminds me of those Battle Royale games that have a map that looks so generic and boring as if it was randomly generated by some program and then some buildings and other assets were placed on top.

2. There is no PvP in Hawken Reborn. Yes, that was the only thing I remember playing on the old Hawken game, I don't even know if it had other game modes or who even played them. For me the experience in Hawken was fighting against other players and earning currency so I can unlock better parts for my mecha and explore new strategies and approaches to be a better player. If the original Hawken was just PvE, it would have never succeeded and nobody would have played it.

PvP adds this near-infinite replay value to a game, because each match you meet new people and they play differently so you never have the same experience twice.

What sucks about the lack of PvP is that the old Hawken had PvP. Why take it away for no reason? It's what people enjoyed doing. When I heard there was a new Hawken game, I was excited, but when I found out there will be no PvP, I immediately became really disappointed, even more so when I found out the game doesn't even function offline and yet you can't interact with other players. The fact that they took PvP away when it was previously there is a d*ck move, at least if they said "we will add it later", it would've been better.

3. The PvE in Hawken Reborn is boring. I almost fell asleep and forced myself to go through all the missions when it was in the 2nd mission that I was already bored out of my head. The gameplay in the missions is absolutely boring and repetitive. All of this just so you can get some chunks of information about a story you don't even care about, because the intro or anything else made a very poor presentation of what's going on so I could not care about the main character or who he/she is.

The missions consist of you going into an area, then enemies spawn, you kill them in the most repetitive and boring way so you can move further. The infantry feel like ants, they barely do anything, the drones feel like flies you're swatting and the enemy mechas are just so predictable and easy to destroy that it's not even thrilling. Overall, all enemies just feel like pests, there is no challenge and it gets really boring and repetitive.

What's worse is that your mecha can break and it requires you to use some premium currency to repair it. In old Hawken, there was a button you could press to repair, but you had to hide somewhere, because it made you completely vulnerable and you could be killed.

This is where PvP would have fitted really nicely with the PvE and making each separate so nobody feels forced to play a mode they don't feel comfortable playing. And then developers can look at statistics and see what mode is played more and dedicate more resources to refine it.

4. The way upgrading or building things works is a bit confusing, but from what I understood, it's a huge grind - you are forced to go through boring content just to kill the boring mobs in hopes to get random drops or see those resource nodes on the map and either step on them or shoot them in hopes to get something. That would've been OK, if the gameplay and the game in general was more engaging and fun, but it's just so boring.

5. The cash shop. I usually don't care about cash shops as I never waste money in them, ever, but it's not a good look when a game has just launched in early access with almost zero content and it already has a cash shop full of items that literally allow you to skip grind. Those things should be added in a game after it's been around for 3-4 years and it's past its prime and the developers no longer care what players will think of their game and the players who remain after 3-4 years also don't care anymore.




Overall, the experience for me was really boring. the graphics are OK, the build quality of the game is fine, I could play the game maxed out with zero performance issues, it's just that the game is so boring and repetitive and there is nothing to look forward to. If there was at least PvP, it would pump me up with adrenaline, excitement, some anxiety, some frustration, but at least it would invoke some emotions inside of me compared to what the current game offers - nothing, it invokes no emotion in me... unless utter and complete boredom is considered to be an emotion.

The game is not bad from a technical standpoint, it looks like a AAA game, but on the inside it feels like one giant NOTHING. That's why I was unable to enjoy the game and probably why others were unable to do so too. So don't act surprised, the game is far from good. 30% positive reviews is very accurate of what this game offers.

This should be a wake up call to the developers to take measures before it's too late, maybe they will and the game will get better, maybe they won't and ignore all feedback and the game will fail miserably.

[Zarious101]

OG hawken had a kick ass Horde mode with multiple maps and coop alongside multiple PVP modes.

[smokratez]

Originally posted by LAMBDA471:

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great post. pretty much sums it up. I hope that people that play this hawken will have a good time, but I won't be amongst them

[Dee]

Originally posted by Zarious101:

OG hawken had a kick ass Horde mode with multiple maps and coop alongside multiple PVP modes.

Yep I remember that when I played OG Hawken

Perfectly happy with this remake, I've found plenty of PvP games since it came out and if you really loved the OG you could have still been playing with the private fan reconstruction like I was

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/hawken-fans-are-trying-to-resurrect-the-mech-shooter-starting-with-singleplayer

[Cypherous]

Originally posted by ZealousFoX:

Originally posted by Cypherous:

Not quite, what screwed it was poor balance and pay to win, PvP in and of itself didn't kill the game, and PvE won't save it, the OG game already had a PvE mode lol

As for where it goes, i'm predicting pretty much nowhere, there are vastly superior co-op games out there if you want that sort of thing, i don't see much of a market for this

There is always a market for games like this

Well good luck to you i guess, i will keep an eye on the PCU and see how quickly it drops off :)

[Chief Diggery K.]

Originally posted by ZealousFoX:

Patrol Mode is basically what you get if you put Titanfall and Escape From Tarkov into a pure mech cockpit game play.

Dude it's already dead stop kicking it.

Really though I didn't play as much Hawken as I did fresh out of highschool because of the great (re: boring) PVE mode it had. Hawken was put on my short list of "dead games that I would rather die playing" because it was cool mechs with an uncommon movement system and plenty of other smaller points that had me hooked completely. And I got to do it to other people. On maps that while I've forgotten the layouts, the visual feels are further burned into my mind than what I did with my family last weekend.

The devs already stated there's no intention on any actual PvP worth playing, so I'll twiddle my thumbs until Fractured Space gets its two minutes of resurrection.