Why is NG+ so much more difficult?!

[HyX-Man]

I started the NG+ feature, because I wanted to check out the new cloaking device. But all the Equipment is gone and no money.
So i have to do an endless grind for the money, but the people are always at home wandering around. It is not like before (Story mode). And the microcameras dont even show you the full 24h anymore.
Story mode was fun to play, but the NG+ feature makes the Game really annoying...
Anyone else feels that way or is it just me that is annoyed about that?!

[[db@]mj1985]

Sorry, it's just you 😁. I'm already done with NG+. At first it's really difficult to get some money. Break in the houses, watch the notices, the rooms and sneak carefully.
One hint: You don't have to buy the hacking laptop, save you money for the cloaking device.
Break in into 202 is still easy 😀

[HyX-Man]

I know how to play the Game, that is not the problem.. But if I remember correctly, the Patchnotes said, that the NG+ is a sandbox mode, so why make so difficult? The tenants are more at home than they were in Story mode - which imo makes no sense at all for "sandbox". I wouldn't mind the grind if it were easier, but grinding for money and harder difficult makes me want do deinstall the game tbh

[Peter]

Hi, sorry you feel that way about ng+, it was made to be a challenge once you have beaten the game. We have some plans for more content for standard game mode, also we will look into the camera issue, cheers.

[HyX-Man]

In that case, then why not make a feature that is called Challenge Mode, and raise the difficult level there, and make the NG+ a "true" NG+ with keeping the Equipment and difficult level like it was in Story Mode?
But don't get me wrong... I still think the Game is fun to play and don't regret the purchase at all... I am just not a fan of the current NG+ as it is...

[Darkcat]

I did finish NG+ without any problems, and I was never bothered by the peoples at home, it's even funny to have to be quiet and switch in the rooms while they are in the house, I wouldn't find it really funny if they were always out

[The Minted Lady]

I like to think of it as the neighborhoods months after the story. Since your crime spree, most have upped their security and purchased new items, probably with the insurance they would have gotten from the losses. Knowing human behavior, quite a few would have used that insurance money to buy better stuff.

[HyX-Man]

Originally posted by Darkcat:

I did finish NG+ without any problems, and I was never bothered by the peoples at home, it's even funny to have to be quiet and switch in the rooms while they are in the house, I wouldn't find it really funny if they were always out

If you see it from that perspective, than yeah.. it makes sense. But I just wanted to get back in the game and have fun not a challenge - guess that is my problem then for missunderstanding the concept of NG+

Originally posted by The Minted Lady:

I like to think of it as the neighborhoods months after the story. Since your crime spree, most have upped their security and purchased new items, probably with the insurance they would have gotten from the losses. Knowing human behavior, quite a few would have used that insurance money to buy better stuff.

yeah, but too bad that they don't have better stuff and even some of the Key items aren't even there anymore, like that huge TV in 108(?). Where you had a Rent-a-thug mission to steal or destroy...

[Derek Barona]

Honestly, I sort of have the same gripes about the tenant schedules in NG+ myself. I get the randomization and all that, but it's very painfully stilted towards people being home at all hours of the day instead of going out, and usually if there's even a single blue segment on someone's bar, it's for an hour or so at most, twenty minutes of which they spend just leaving the house because they were on the other side of the building at the time. I suppose you could justify it with that headcanon about people being more paranoid, but it just feels like whatever randomizer code is in the game to determine the schedules could be tuned to be just a little bit nicer and it wouldn't take away much of anything.

It also annoys me that most of the big or expensive stuff doesn't respawn, either. I understood it in the main game why someone's TV, printer, jewelry, etc, wouldn't come back, but it makes it a lot more difficult to want to try and grind up 150K for that cloaking device when by the time I have that kind of money, I'll have either had to steal and disassemble cars a million and six times over or all of the really cool stuff I want to steal with the cloaker has already been stolen to pay for the thing and hasn't popped back up.

[LostBoyLazarus]

Originally posted by HyX-Man:

I started the NG+ feature, because I wanted to check out the new cloaking device. But all the Equipment is gone and no money.
So i have to do an endless grind for the money, but the people are always at home wandering around. It is not like before (Story mode). And the microcameras dont even show you the full 24h anymore.
Story mode was fun to play, but the NG+ feature makes the Game really annoying...
Anyone else feels that way or is it just me that is annoyed about that?!

>>>All the Equipment is Gone<<<
Unless I've misunderstood what you mean, you can purchase everything you need via the PC just like in the main game. You don't start with any equipment but you also don't need to unlock it. Reading your whole post, you thought NG+ meant starting the game again while keeping your equipment rather than playing a more challenging game while starting from scratch? I do agree with you here. Maybe NG+ is a bit misleading?

>>>Endless Grind for Money<<<
It's not really that difficult to obtain money in NG+. I found it easier than the main game. Yes, tenants are home more often and the locks have been changed up a little, but common sense tells you which houses are worth looting first. Target the second neighbourhood early on and grab the larger, bulkier items first. Two or three car loads of these expensive items and you're well on your way to purchasing all of the tools you'll need. I managed to complete NG+ in less than 10 hours.

Also, keep in mind that because you start at max level in NG+, you don't need to worry about an item's XP. As such, you CAN simply enter a property, grab everything you want and leave without consequence. If the police arrive, simply hide in one of the many hiding spots provided until the heat cools off. The only real danger on NG+ is residents/guards with tazers.

>>>Microcameras<<<
I have mentioned this on the bugs thread previously. I was unsure if it was an intended feature or a bug.

>>>Story Mode more fun than NG+<<<
I found NG+ to be more fun because you're not handheld. You mentioned that NG+ isn't sandbox - it is. You can go where you want, steal what you want, play how you want.

[HyX-Man]

Originally posted by LostBoyLazarus:

Originally posted by HyX-Man:

I started the NG+ feature, because I wanted to check out the new cloaking device. But all the Equipment is gone and no money.
So i have to do an endless grind for the money, but the people are always at home wandering around. It is not like before (Story mode). And the microcameras dont even show you the full 24h anymore.
Story mode was fun to play, but the NG+ feature makes the Game really annoying...
Anyone else feels that way or is it just me that is annoyed about that?!

>>>All the Equipment is Gone<<<
Unless I've misunderstood what you mean, you can purchase everything you need via the PC just like in the main game. You don't start with any equipment but you also don't need to unlock it. Reading your whole post, you thought NG+ meant starting the game again while keeping your equipment rather than playing a more challenging game while starting from scratch? I do agree with you here. Maybe NG+ is a bit misleading?

>>>Story Mode more fun than NG+<<<
I found NG+ to be more fun because you're not handheld. You mentioned that NG+ isn't sandbox - it is. You can go where you want, steal what you want, play how you want.

Yeah, I meant it like having all the tools in NG+ and start that way, without having to buy them all again, becuase you have to spend alot of money on tools you actually need, like the window cutter or Hacking tool for example.
And if you liked the NG+ more, I guess you also like games like Dark Souls?! Well, I don't like these kind of challenges and rather have a simple and fast gameplay in a NG+. From my experience, a Sandbox mode is not the same as a challenge mode, and that is what the NG+ feels like - A challenge mode. For my understanding, I thought the "Sandbox" means same difficult, but you keep all your tools and level and don't have the story aspect.
But after the dev replied, I also mentioned, that it should probaly be renamed in challenge mode, because like you said, NG+ is a bit misleading...

I will just wait and see what the new update will offer.. There is always story mode to replay, so I don't HAVE to use the NG+ feature...

[Doomsdayman]

To be fair NG+ is easier for me thanks that you don't have to level up and so start with a big backpack.

[smokinjays420]

hit 205,202,207 you dont need tools and after getting the valuable loot you will have more money than you need

[YamiSphinx]

I can't figure out how to get into 304 on NG+ mode, any advice? The van doesn't get me high enough to get over the wall and the Laptop doesn't reach with the smaller circle.

[HyX-Man]

Originally posted by YamiSphinx:

I can't figure out how to get into 304 on NG+ mode, any advice? The van doesn't get me high enough to get over the wall and the Laptop doesn't reach with the smaller circle.

You should probaly start your own thread and ask for that, because no one will find that question here and I can't help you, sorry. I haven't played the new area yet...