@Felix: Don't you think you should look at the 1.0 release first before you judge about it? If you really want the game to develop further, it is not a good idea to talk people into a review now, which might not be justified regarding a not yet known 1.0. I'm sure what we see at the moment is not the version that will be there on October 15th. You already bought the game, so you can just wait for the 1.0 and judge then about it. All potential new buyers can also look at the 1.0 and refund if they don't like it. But what you are doing is no help for anybody who's interested in a good and also in the future continuously developed Cattle and Crops.

If you think back to the beginning they said that the game never will be finished. But after the V1 there are coming updates whole the time. So there is something new coming the whole time. They wouldn’t make a game like FS who comes out every 2 years with a new version and you can’t use anything from the older versions in the new one.

They said the will make a base game and update from there so you still can use everything from before. And it seems it’s going to be that way. And I like that.

Releasing the game and declaring it as "1.0" which is (correctly) interpreted as "base game feature complete" when it is not complete will inflict a serious injury on the game. Like I said, this has never worked well for any other game, why would it work for Cattle and Crops? And quite frankly if they're going to treat their paying customers in this way then they deserve as many negative reviews as people will throw at them. Why should we lie down and accept treatment like this? It's obscene. The more we accept things like this the more game developers/publishers/etc will do it to us. We're just creating a poorer future for gaming by "letting it slide this time".

Maybe, maybe not we have to give C&C a bad review. But then we have to give FS bad reviews to. They make a new version every 2 years. The old versions still have bugs, but as soon the version is out they start talking about DLC’s. You play the game 2 years with bugs and they make you pay for a new version again. And the whole scam starts over again.

So if we talking about bad treatment then is that the same. But people jump Intourist every second year and pay a lot of money for the game en DLC’s and the bugs.

Even the guy’s who made mods for many years don’t make mods any more. Because they are tired at once the have som decent mods then a new FS comes out. And the have to start over again. And that’s what C&C will avoid. That’s why the game like they say never gets finished whole. Because when they finished the game they have to make a new version like FS. And then they have the same problem with mods like FS

This has nothing to do with Farming Simulator, except for the fact that GIANTS aren't going to be spurred to actually make significant changes to the next game unless games like this succeed. To succeed, they have to be good games. To be good games, they have to not be rushed to 1.0 without being finished. I really do not mind how much longer this game is in development for, as long as they do not misrepresent their product as somehow finished or at least significantly feature complete and bug free which will be the case if the "1.0" launch goes ahead.

Yes it has something to do with FS. You have to compare the game with another game. And when is a game finished???

The old versions of FS are still with bugs. So still not finished!! But still there was a new version every 2 years!! And people happy buy that without complaining, witch I don’t understand.

And who is saying C&C is finished with the V1.0??? Masterbrain doesn’t. They say after the V1.0 there still be Updates and developments. V1.0 is just a update too the next level.
But I also wrote a time ago on the forum that C&C is dead, because it’s going to slow. The game has potential I give them that. But it’s going way to slow forward. That is a big issue

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This has nothing to do with Farming Simulator, except for the fact that GIANTS aren't going to be spurred to actually make significant changes to the next game unless games like this succeed. To succeed, they have to be good games. To be good games, they have to not be rushed to 1.0 without being finished. I really do not mind how much longer this game is in development for, as long as they do not misrepresent their product as somehow finished or at least significantly feature complete and bug free which will be the case if the "1.0" launch goes ahead.

First of all, define "finished". The version will lack features that were proclaimed as goals in the Kickstarter campaign. This is essentially the missing multiplayer. Not the missing voice output and not a missing tractor.

But that alone cannot be the measure of whether the game is v1.0 worthy. At least not for all those who did not participate in the Kickstarter but bought it later. And certainly not for those who buy a v1.0 from 15.10. onwards. For all Kickstarters it should be much more important that the developers continue to work on the declared goals. Whether this happens on the basis of a v0.99, a v1.00 or a v1.5 would not matter to me.

@gdgn that is mine opinion too. I’ve been kickstarter since the beginning. I’ve written once the game is dead because it was going forward to slow. But the game has some potential. Now is it going a little faster so maybe there is a light.
And yes when is a game finished ??
I don’t know and I don’t care, the main thing is like you said that the developers keep working on the game and keep coming with updates and extra stuff

If you can't see the problem with declaring something as "v1.0" which should mean "feature complete, basically nothing left to add, maybe some bugfixes or further content updates later down the line if possible" when that isn't the case, then the problem I described is already happening. This practice is becoming normalised and everyone shall suffer for it.

Again: define "finished".

Feature complete is something that can hardly be formulated unanimously with regard to such a game. Because of course there is always more to add.

So the question is rather what must be at least in it, so that it is playable in a meaningful way.

And of course it should be bug-free up to a well playable level.

Everything beyond that is subjective perception.

Das Geld hätte man sich sparen können. Die V1 wird das Ruder bestimmt nicht mehr rumreisen von dem sinkenden Schiff.

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Maybe, maybe not we have to give C&C a bad review. But then we have to give FS bad reviews to. They make a new version every 2 years. The old versions still have bugs, but as soon the version is out they start talking about DLC’s. You play the game 2 years with bugs and they make you pay for a new version again. And the whole scam starts over again.

So if we talking about bad treatment then is that the same. But people jump Intourist every second year and pay a lot of money for the game en DLC’s and the bugs.

Even the guy’s who made mods for many years don’t make mods any more. Because they are tired at once the have som decent mods then a new FS comes out. And the have to start over again. And that’s what C&C will avoid. That’s why the game like they say never gets finished whole. Because when they finished the game they have to make a new version like FS. And then they have the same problem with mods like FS

The difference is that while FS isn't a simulator it is playable and feature complete and CnC isn't feature complete and is unplayable due to poor performance. Even microsoft flight simulator runs 5 times better than this.

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Maybe, maybe not we have to give C&C a bad review. But then we have to give FS bad reviews to. They make a new version every 2 years. The old versions still have bugs, but as soon the version is out they start talking about DLC’s. You play the game 2 years with bugs and they make you pay for a new version again. And the whole scam starts over again.

So if we talking about bad treatment then is that the same. But people jump Intourist every second year and pay a lot of money for the game en DLC’s and the bugs.

Even the guy’s who made mods for many years don’t make mods any more. Because they are tired at once the have som decent mods then a new FS comes out. And the have to start over again. And that’s what C&C will avoid. That’s why the game like they say never gets finished whole. Because when they finished the game they have to make a new version like FS. And then they have the same problem with mods like FS

The difference is that while FS isn't a simulator it is playable and feature complete and CnC isn't feature complete and is unplayable due to poor performance. Even microsoft flight simulator runs 5 times better than this.

It’s not unplayable?????? I have a 5 year old laptop with the minimum requirements and it’s running well on middle. Just as FS. I have no lags at all. So unplayable that’s not true. And FS is a simulator when you look at the advertisement, so if you say it’s not a Simulator are the people behind lying. That is falls advertisement but nobody is complaining about that or asking money back. FS is not finished yet because there are a lot of bugs. Many things are missing. But there are coming expensive DLC’s. But still are there many fanboys who pay for that every 2 years

Turkish language please...

@frankvandewijgert when u have a wood PC all games are ok. When u spend 700 Euro on a RTX u want to play the game at Ultra that is why u got the GPU, and when u have 3000 Euro PC you can play all games at ultra on 144 FPS and u install C&C and u have 20 - 30 FPS on ultra with a top end machine game is unplayeble.
If there was no ultra steings and only low then no one will say game is unplayebl you will boicot the game from start, we are in 2020 4k rez VR etc.. and when u read NEXT GENERATION you aspect that all setings in the menu to work.
I say that before only linux and wood PC players enjoy this game, majority of gamers have powerful PC `s we do not to see a tree spawn in front of u.

I do not want to see the crops spawn in front of my tractor i want to see all field load and i have the machine to do it. I spend 35 Euro on this game not 5 Euro to see all blur and assets spawn in 2m of my radius no one wants that in 2020 and not at 35 euro
C&C made the standars up with the price tag of 35 Euro this price is for a complite working game not a demo. Go on steam store and check how much content and how good optimizated are games that cost 35 euro, compare, comparit with FS 19 wich cost less now, and FS has more content - multiplayer - allot of mods - stearing whell suport (no need to start Euro Truck simulator then open C&C to have a decent stearing wheal support) , o and FS 19 works at ultra setings on 144FPS with no lag.
So when you sell a game with same price tag as other in the same cateogory you must deliver at list the same ammount of content and quality as your competitor, simple commonsence rule. aperently comonsence do not apply to funboys