No support Dx 11 WTF

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Why not support directx 11 ?

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by CursedPanther:

Originally posted by eqalidan:

I have 2 computers, an older one i use as a test bed, and a newer one that is normal use, the older one got win 10 and what a fun experiance I had with that nightmare, not to mention the trouble shooting I have to do for my little brothers comptuer when he cant get a game to work that works just fine on 7, he has gotten use to just useing a vm for older games.

Since you've gone that extra mile already, what game is it really?

what game... I forget which one required him to use a vm that wasn't dos based that he couldn't get up and running doss box, that was what sent him to using a vm but he has started to just use the vm for any game that isn't dx11 just because there was less bs involved and the hit he takes to processing power was easily overcome just by having relatively modern hardware, as for the other ones... its been years since he came to be with troubleshooting games because everyone he came to me with a quick google search showed problems with windows 10 and people not being able to get the things working on it, and me telling him 'try using compatibility modes' (no idea if he did, this is the kind of person who when you tell them restart the computer won't restart the computer, but generally if its not that he would do it) and when that came back with it didn't work, I shrug my shoulders and told him its win 10 because no other people have a solution.

win 10 may have been patched and it fixed a lot of this, I don't know, I largely gave up looking at the ♥♥♥♥ and hope they make a win 11 and its not garbage or looking at linux if i'm ever forced to use 10 as my only option. all I know is for a few months/year he kept coming to me with new problems and the only thing I could find was its windows 10.

Originally posted by Omiley:

Our ability to adept and progress is why we're smarter and more resourceful then our grandparents, are you saying you're incapable of doing so ?

I don't know about your grandparents, but mine lived pre tv in every home if not pre tv really being a thing, they both adapted just fine, they would stick to crappy tvs for a long time more because when everything was black and white and you went to color you kind of stop caring what colors the tv is... I think his was skewing magenta before he bought a new one, they tended to not just jump on something because it was new, but because they needed it.

I see 10 the same way, yea, its 'improved' if you call firing every single one of the in house testers and pushing 'beta' updates on consumers an improvement so now you get to tell them how crap the thing is and MAYBE they will improve it but more likely they will focus on a feature update that no one wants or asked for because a feature is easier to market then 'we patched bugs'

Originally posted by JBro™:

Win10 is a rock solid, sleek beast. Win7 was fantastic, compared to what came before. The peeps who have trouble converting to 10 are probably the same that stuck onto XP until malware infested their rig :special:

till malware infested their rigs... I was one of those people too, but not till malware got it. thing is, you don't tend to get malware if you block ads from loading, or going to sketchy sites, or clicking ok on everything you do. I stayed on xp till I got an ssd and needed a feature of 7, the reason I didn't go to 7 sooner was they got rid of 2 features I used every day constantly and had to learn to live with not using them which sucked, I think 10 is bringing them back, but I have since found external programs and will do a better job, thing is, till I updated there was nothing win 7 had that would get me to use it over xp, and for quite a long time after I updated there was no real reason to have needed to make the switch other than built in ssd garbage collection.

going to 10... there is no must have game, all there is is a massive pain in my ass getting everything set up to a point that I like it, needing to setup a dns server to block everything from microsoft in and out, which would likely just be the same as staying on 7 as from the looks of it feature patches are going into win 10 which then are required to do anything new.

the fact is there are few games that use dx12 exclusively, when they have dx11 and dx12 dx12 is almost always crap in comparison... and its getting to the point that they have no learning curve excuse, with dx9 to dx10 there were games at launch that showed 30% gains over the prior version, and with 9/10 to 11 there were games that showed dx11 was executed faster as well, but also that there was api support for new hardware features like tessellation, well... its not really new, just new to the api to handle it. dx12 has none of that, and when paired next to vulkan you can see vulkan preformaning better, and vulkan already has shown that it has a legitimate use case unlike dx12, I think the only thing dx12 has over 11 is some ray tracing api, but lets be honest, real time ray tracing isn't happening in any way that is significant unless for some reason a multi billion dollar industry who would pay out the ass for faster processing of ray traced scenes couldn't figure out how to accelerate it faster, dropped the ball hard. for ray tracing to even be a thing, we would need low clock but 3d stacked gpus, so processing power can be multiplicative, or we need someone to brute force ray tracing with chiplets, something that raytracing is VERY good at doing, and even then, to get to the point where a whole scene would be doable, would requite 50 ray tracing chiplets at the moment, and once we go to a 5nm process, it would still take... quick math... 30 chiplets or there around, for a minimum viable product.

realistically that's all dx12 has to offer, and the tech to actually do it is still 10-20 years off, but funny enough, buy then it will take even more processing power, so you end up always chasing the dragon. and that's assuming we are in a desktop form factor at that point and not forced to go to a streaming gaming service seeing as AAA has wanted to do that just so you have absolutely no ownership whatsoever of their games.

a bit long for the comment, but realistically, 10 offers nothing outside of potentially ray tracing if someone makes one hell of a leap in gpu acceleration for it, which I doubt, burte forces it, most likely in a pro gpu level, or in 10-20 years... I was going to say 360 emulation as you needed win 8 to do that as a minimum, but apparently it has been ported to work 7 now... so the only other reason to get 10 that was compelling, emulation of 360 so I don't have to cross fingers on that hardware not crapping itself, is gone.

ill be forced to move to a new os probably in the next 4-6 years depending on motherboard lifespan, and even then, if the move is linux ill just be pcie pass through to a win7vm and a win10vm

[Shrimp On The New Breed]

Originally posted by Omiley:

Is this really still an issue for some ? DX12 cards have been available from GTX 900 series to Radeon R9 series. Even now the RX cards are really cheap and some good prices for GTX 10 cards. Time to upgrade ppl while competition is alive and well.

DX11 always run better from my experience

[dannyj147]

Originally posted by Shrimp On The New Breed:

Originally posted by Omiley:

Is this really still an issue for some ? DX12 cards have been available from GTX 900 series to Radeon R9 series. Even now the RX cards are really cheap and some good prices for GTX 10 cards. Time to upgrade ppl while competition is alive and well.

DX11 always run better from my experience

For me the Tomb Raider games run better in DX12.