The uncensored patch costs money?!?!?!

[Apriarcy]

Of course it does, don't be silly. The game on Steam is sold at a lower price to compensate for the cut content and the cost of the patch brings everything in line. Heck, the Steam version plus the patch is actually cheaper when there's no sale.

These prices are in USD so sorry if it's different for you, but here's the breakdown for me:

Game on Steam: $14.99, Patch for Steam version: $3.99, Total: $18.98

Game on Jast USA pre-patched: $19.99

[Missing Spartan]

Originally posted by Malamasala:

Except I don't want to pay extra. If someone else gets a discount, I want a discount. That is how simple it is. Which means that Steam or off-site, I'll buy it when I don't have to pay more than the Steam price for the full game.

So either when the patch is free, when Saya no Uta full version is 15 euro, or when Steam version is 10 euro. I have a backlog, I can wait.

Until then everyone else are free to pay 20 dollars for the full game if they want to. I assume you don't have 500 games unplayed in your library so you might be more willing to spend extra.

well off my end the Steam version and patch together are only 14.31eur. just admit it your cheap and will only get it when it goes 50-60% off.

[Xaelath]

Originally posted by DarkChaplain:

Originally posted by Wehzy 'ftp:

ofc it does? lmao, no uncut patches ever cost money. Devs are money hungry scammers.
Its like releasing battelfield withouth historical "german signs" and then releasing an uncut patch for 15 bucks.

Such. A. Scam.

There are plenty of games on Steam with paid uncensored patches. Sekai Project usually sell the DLC patches for all their own games. NEKO-NIN exHeart? 3,99€. NekoPara? 8,19€. The Ditzy Demons Are in Love with Me? 8,19€. MangaGamer, too, has previously sold 18+ DLC, like eden* PLUS+MOSAIC.
You're decrying something that's been a thing forever as never happening.

Heck, there are many games that don't have patches at all and you'd have to buy the whole thing again on the publisher's site or other stores to get the full thing.

You should brush up on what constitutes a scam, btw.

No the real thing is that the patch were outside steam.

Some people doesn't have CC to purchase it.

What to do then?

Also Jast USA were blocked by my ISP for god whatever reason it is.

I can do both but likewise i prefer keeping it on one place.

Stuff taken from Jast USA might as well kept in personal storage such as Mega or Google Drive instead having to go there again to redownload stuff as the fact itself the server are quite unstable.

[Malamasala]

Originally posted by Missing Spartan:

Originally posted by Malamasala:

Except I don't want to pay extra. If someone else gets a discount, I want a discount. That is how simple it is. Which means that Steam or off-site, I'll buy it when I don't have to pay more than the Steam price for the full game.

So either when the patch is free, when Saya no Uta full version is 15 euro, or when Steam version is 10 euro. I have a backlog, I can wait.

Until then everyone else are free to pay 20 dollars for the full game if they want to. I assume you don't have 500 games unplayed in your library so you might be more willing to spend extra.

well off my end the Steam version and patch together are only 14.31eur. just admit it your cheap and will only get it when it goes 50-60% off.

Nice for you. For me it is 15.55eur.

Actually if I go to JAST and buy it, it is 14.27eur. So they want me to pay more than 1 euro extra for the patched Steam version. I'll see if I can contact them and make a deal out of getting this price down.

[Malamasala]

Originally posted by Apples:

Because they want you to buy the game directly from their store. Buying the uncensored version directly from them works out around £2 cheaper(in my region) than buying the censored Steam version.

Sure, but they aren't really allowed to sell the same game cheaper outside of Steam. It is part of the ToS for using Steam. So they have to essentially price match Steam version with their store version.

[DarkChaplain]

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by Malamasala:

Sure, but they aren't really allowed to sell the same game cheaper outside of Steam. It is part of the ToS for using Steam. So they have to essentially price match Steam version with their store version.

So what I'm seeing is likely just another regional pricing ♥♥♥♥ up?

Precisely. It's regional pricing resulting in slight price deviations for some regions, no more, no less. There is no malice of "scamming" happening, as some folks here are stubbornly claiming. The base price on JAST for the full game is $19.99, the Steam edition is $14.99. The price of the JAST version and the patch vary depending on region, but they're all derived from the $20 core price nonetheless.

And keep in mind that even without regional pricing on their own store, simple currency conversion rates at your bank or payment processors like paypal are also varying greatly, even on a daily basis. Paypal especially slaps you with a premium for daring to pay in a foreign currency, and they actually removed the option of not having them auto-convert a few years back.

It's not something to blame JAST for, as it is pretty much down to volatile currency in general.

[Malamasala]

Well, their biggest crime is of course doing $ = €. Because 1$ is actually 0.9€, giving euro paying people a 10% price hike compared to people who pay in dollars. If it is 20$ it should be €18.

This is actually correct on JAST site with €18. Just Steam price being incorrect, making the Steam + Patch price off by 1 euro. I guess in reality I should be contacting Steam to fix their store, but I guess it is just easier to complain on JAST for not giving free patches so I could ignore Steam being jerks.

[DarkChaplain]

...and the JAST store accounts for that with regional pricing, where the game costs 17,84€ in Europe? What a price hike, they actually ask less than your ~well, actually~ estimate.

Nevermind that VAT in Europe is ~19%, more or less depending on the country, and Steam includes VAT in the advertised pricetag already....

[Shanto]

I don't trust the security of these website with my payment information, and I'll skip them for that reason alone.

[Apriarcy]

Originally posted by Rootbreaker:

I don't trust the security of these website with my payment information, and I'll skip them for that reason alone.

Checkout with PayPal then. You'll have solid buyer protections.

[Lain]

Originally posted by Malamasala:

Except I don't want to pay extra. If someone else gets a discount, I want a discount. That is how simple it is. Which means that Steam or off-site, I'll buy it when I don't have to pay more than the Steam price for the full game.

So either when the patch is free, when Saya no Uta full version is 15 euro, or when Steam version is 10 euro. I have a backlog, I can wait.

Until then everyone else are free to pay 20 dollars for the full game if they want to. I assume you don't have 500 games unplayed in your library so you might be more willing to spend extra.

This is a bit of a strange hang-up. The game costs 20$. The steam release is cheaper because it removes the porn part. To bring it to parity with the porn version, you have to pay a little bit more, which brings the price closer to the original 20$.

So, you are not being scammed nor being forced to pay more for the full product, because the full product costs more than the cut product.
You are using Jast choice of making the cut version cheaper to begin with, before launch discounts, to blame them, which I believe is a mistake.
Jast did good regional prices for this release too, something many publishers do not do lately.

I understand that paying for a patch isnt optimal and I prefer free patches too, but I don't see how complaining makes sense in cases like this when the game without the porn is being sold with a lower base price to account for that missing content, adding also a launch discount on top.

You can obviously wait for the price to come down to the level you think is right. It is your money for you to spend how you want.
But please try to understand that the publisher here did nothing wrong, as Jast is not trying to make money off people anymore than the usual sale of a product.
They are offering a lower price for the game on Steam, with a launch discount, good regional prices, and a cheap price for that patch, which makes the whole cost for a Steam customer lower than buying the complete game off Jast site directly in many cases.

As for me, I bought the game despite having a disproportionate backlog of Steam games because I would rather reward a publisher doing good regional prices, offering lower prices for all ages releases and taking the chance of putting such a risky game on a mainstream platform like Steam. Without forgetting that Jast also has a free patch for everyone who owns the original physical release of the game.

[Breaker]

The game has unofficially been translated for 10 years and JAST has been selling it for six. Just walk away if you don't want to spend $20.00 on a VN, the hobby isn't for you.

Let the others burn their money. One day, JAST will answer their prayers, and a new Nitro+ translation will arrive 10 years from then.

[DarkChaplain]

Originally posted by Apples:

Originally posted by DarkChaplain:

It's not something to blame JAST for, as it is pretty much down to volatile currency in general.

When I referred to it as a "♥♥♥♥ up" I only meant that it was a mistake. I forget that using that word is considered a big deal in America. Where I live most people treat it as an alternative to using a comma.

Don't worry, I got you. My elaboration was more for the benefit of the kids who keep kicking and screaming bloody murder over having to buy a patch. Not that they'll listen at this point, with how entrenched they are in calling it a scam or sharing the pirated patch on the guides section (already reported it, but moderation is sadly slow), but some clarification isn't a bad thing I'd say.

By the by, I'm not living in America either; people looked at me strange when I cursed while visiting there, though. Had to bite my tongue in public more often than not :')

[Malamasala]

Originally posted by Lain:

This is a bit of a strange hang-up. The game costs 20$. The steam release is cheaper because it removes the porn part. To bring it to parity with the porn version, you have to pay a little bit more, which brings the price closer to the original 20$.

The situation just doesn't make sense.

It is like offering a pizza with toppings + pineapple on it for 20 bucks, then saying that if you remove the pineapple, it is 15 bucks. Considering many never wanted pineapple to begin with, they just got a free discount for a pizza they are more likely to eat.

Few honestly care that "I got less toppings on my pizza" when it was something they hated.

Another example would be an English movie with and without subtitles. Some people would benefit from subtitles, but most might not need them. But it wouldn't make sense to charge 5 dollars more for the version with subtitles on it. You added the subtitles to reach a larger market, not to cash in on desperate people. (Well, maybe you did, but then you are a jerk).

[DarkChaplain]

You know... that's literally how most pizza places operate? You want extra/more toppings, you pay more. Not so great to add a few slices of bacon onto a pizza for 3€, though. Heck, if I were to order a bbq burger right now, there'd be a variant with cheese and one without. If I went to the nearest kebab place, I'd pay a 1€ less for the meat-less variant.

Your movie comparison is lacking, too. It's more akin to a movie being sold only with the localized dub, rather than the localized dub AND the original audio. Which is something that's been happening for decades, and VHS before DVDs didn't have the original audio to begin with.

Many Japanese video games also only ever came with the English voice overs, with fans begging for dual audio for as long as proper voice acting has fit onto the discs. Dual audio is pretty much a given these days, but it was a rare thing way back when, and when they first introduced it to the western market, a lot of major publishers tried selling the JP audio as DLC, not least of all because it cost them licensing fees to even offer.

The same goes for Anime, where most hardcore fans never gave a damn about the local audio because they only ever watch the original version anyway, and consider the dubs to be of poor quality. The industry has seen publishers dumping truckloads of cash into producing dubs that a minority of their audience even cared about, which often even delayed release by 6-12 months;
Heck, I still have to wait til September to receive my copy of I Want to Eat Your Pancreas on Bluray, because the German publisher just spent a year with it in limbo while producing a mediocre dub with Youtube personalities, and Your name took them even longer from licensing to release, prompting even the limited two-day theater run to lag behind some other countries' BD releases. Many fans that know what they're in for from the original version don't approve of the oft-inflated pricetags due to local considerations, and instead order the very same thing from the UK, or straight from Japan - heck, even China, who often get english subtitles anyway (something that has been the case for games as well).

[RA Ranno]

This all makes sense to me. If they did sell it on the steam store for full price, and steam told them to keep their patch off steam, it makes sense to shave the adult content's price off and sell the adult content patch off steam, that way steam is not getting a share of the full game's sales when the full game isn't actually being sold by them. Because if the patch was free, steam would be getting shares off the adult content's worth even though they didn't sell it.