Permanently lost gems still a thing?

[Grab_001]

Due to really poor decision making, I was stuck in winter with a pocket of gems on a new island. No money. No farmers for bushes. Archers depleted. Knights gone. No gem bank.

So I had to give up and lose my crown to reset, not knowing if these gems will be gone forever.

I know before, they were lost forever if you lost your crown with loose gems. But I don't know if that was a bug or feature. Is it still a thing? I lost an entire islands worth of gems. I need to know if I need to start a fresh game to get those back, or if I need to bum rush through that island, go to island 5 and get the Iron upgrade, then I can get them back from Island 4.


Thank you in advance.

[Sapador]

In that situation you could’ve dropped the gems by the campfire, and then go deliver your crown around a forest portal. On the current version, only gems taken by a greedling can be recovered with the bomb squad. With the Nov-2021 update, devs have fixed the problem of gems disappearing from the ground, but the gems monarchs have inside the purse are still vanishing forever. Developer Alan will probably try and fix that as well in the future

[Demize99]

How would one lose the crown gems in the bag? The crown only comes off when the bag is empty...

[Grab_001]

Originally posted by Demize99:

How would one lose the crown gems in the bag? The crown only comes off when the bag is empty...

Some of the gems I had left I gave to my coop partner, who had already lost their crown while I went off to lose my own crown.

Either that or I dropped them on the ground at the campsite and I can't remember which. They might've picked them up anyway. Doesn't matter. Pretty sure I gotta start fresh anyway :(

[Grab_001]

Originally posted by Sapador Castelo:

In that situation you could’ve dropped the gems by the campfire, and then go deliver your crown around a forest portal. On the current version, only gems taken by a greedling can be recovered with the bomb squad. With the Nov-2021 update, devs have fixed the problem of gems disappearing from the ground, but the gems monarchs have inside the purse are still vanishing forever. Developer Alan will probably try and fix that as well in the future :KTCGEM:

In a previous save, we lost some gems and our crowns to an island and when we finally blew it up, we didn't get our gems back. This was in Dead Lands, too, so im worried this bug/feature is still around.

[teleshoes]

even in single player, you can get a gem and the crown knocked off, and then recover the gem right before the crown gets stolen. fairly unusual, but this actually does happen occasionally when youre surrounded by greed on both sides.

also, the first time i got the loki staff, i didnt realize that my crown would still be at the statue when i transformed back. i picked up the 6 gems and ~20 coins i had stashed nearby, immediately before i realized that the camera was staying stuck on the statue and lost my crown.

so its actually entirely possible to have a completely full wallet and lose your crown.

[Sapador]

Originally posted by Demize99:

How would one lose the crown gems in the bag? The crown only comes off when the bag is empty...

• Crown stealers
  
• Carrying gems in bag to a cave assault, and not getting out of the cave in time.

[Demize99]

Originally posted by Sapador Castelo:

Originally posted by Demize99:

How would one lose the crown gems in the bag? The crown only comes off when the bag is empty...

• Crown stealers
  
• Carrying gems in bag to a cave assault, and not getting out of the cave in time.

• 🤦‍♂️
  
• We fixed that one.

[Sapador]

Originally posted by Demize99:

• 🤦‍♂️
  
• We fixed that one.

Nope. You have fixed the case where gems had been stolen on that island, and the monarch fails to escape the detonation. That is fixed.

Now, if the gems have not been stolen, and if they’re in the purse at the moment of the explosion that makes the monarch lose the crown, these gems are not spat out of the cave, and cannot be found anywhere on that island, even if a heir travels to visit that island and that cave.

I tested both situations myself after the last update. One is fixed, the other is not.

[teleshoes]

also, you can totally lose your crown in the normal way with greedlings while carrying gems. it is not hard to do on purpose (try it), and it can in fact happen by accident when youre surrounded on both sides by greed.

sapador's correct that you folks only fixed gems on the ground, so that after the cave explodes the gems persist on the ground. if you die in the cave while HOLDING gems, those are in fact still lost forever.

also, if you drop gems in the cave as youre running away, i think they stay forever in the cave even if you make it out in time.

some solutions:
1) put the gems that are in your purse or on the ground in the boat-gem-box (unfortunately makes it way easier to unlock the fairly OP things on the first island)
2) drop the gems from your purse when you lose your crown (either with an animation at the moment you lose the crown, or just programmatically after 'no crown, no queen'). additionally, move any gems that are then on the floor inside any exploded-cave, to just outside that cave's entrance to prevent gems persisting outside the accessible map.
3) move any gems in the purse or on the ground to the highest-numbered un-exploded cave
4) refill chests (boat-gem-box gems, purse gems, floor gems, all can be re-sealed into one or more newly randomly-distributed chests, preferably on islands with un-exploded caves to make collecting them an appropriate challenge, or where previous chests actually were)

[Demize99]

Right ok, thanks for the clarifications. Basically all of this boils down to various situations where you end your rule with gems in the bag.

[Dragonfly]

Just got directed to this thread.
I don't know if a solution has been found, yet, but I might have some additional information.

(I misread. Ignore the "in the cave explosions". I understand that it's only the gems in the bag, as I end up saying. So sorry. Still a problem with the dog, tho).

On my first file, I never lost the crown in the cave explotions. Yet I still missed 6 gems and my dog, when I got a new monarch after being robbed by the greed. After exploding the last cave, the gems and dog still hadn't resurfaced. So somehow, the gems still disappeared when held in the bag (without being exploded from the cave), and the dog still went missing, never to be recovered from the fallen tree.

Also, using controller, there's a highlight bug with the no button when asked if you want to start a new campaign and lose the old save.
Hovering on "no", the "yes" button is still/also highlighted. If on "yes" only the "yes" is highlighted.

[StickyStallion]

Originally posted by Grabnok:

Originally posted by Sapador Castelo:

In that situation you could’ve dropped the gems by the campfire, and then go deliver your crown around a forest portal. On the current version, only gems taken by a greedling can be recovered with the bomb squad. With the Nov-2021 update, devs have fixed the problem of gems disappearing from the ground, but the gems monarchs have inside the purse are still vanishing forever. Developer Alan will probably try and fix that as well in the future :KTCGEM:

In a previous save, we lost some gems and our crowns to an island and when we finally blew it up, we didn't get our gems back. This was in Dead Lands, too, so im worried this bug/feature is still around.

this bug is still happening permanently lost gems on losing them and not being able to retrieve in cave

[gtg_vicki]

I'm not sure it's a bug. There are certain conditions where gems will be permanently lost. Gems will become unrecoverable if the monarch loses their crown or if any gems are lost in the cave explosion. Perhaps this is what's happening?

If anyone is still experiencing this issue and think it's a bug, please feel free to reach out to support.