THE F*CK ARE SAMURAI DOING?? [Shogun]

[vitez_vaddiszno]

When Greed breach the city walls, the samurai who has been waiting inside the walls actually RETREATS inside the city and leaves workers/archers to die instead of engaging the Greed and holding them back.

THE F*CK IS THIS BEHAVIOR?? FIX.

[Sapador]

Samurai are hired to protect their 4 archers, who are the only ones with the ability to destroy Greed portals. They can occasionally help common archers (hunters) in their duty of protecting walls, but it's not their primary job. So, if the wall is too weak, they cannot risk the safety of their soldiers, and they retreat all together. If you haven't enough archers to defend the walls, you shouldn't hire samurai, who auto recruit archers to attack portals. But you're not supposed to know all this. Your next heir will do better.

[vitez_vaddiszno]

Originally posted by Sapador Castelo:

Samurai are hired to protect their 4 archers, who are the only ones with the ability to destroy Greed portals. They can occasionally help common archers (hunters) in their duty of protecting walls, but it's not their primary job. So, if the wall is too weak, they cannot risk the safety of their soldiers, and they retreat all together. If you haven't enough archers to defend the walls, you shouldn't hire samurai, who auto recruit archers to attack portals. But you're not supposed to know all this. Your next heir will do better.

Additional info:

I travelled from Island 2 to 3 and since I was swimming in money I brought as many people onboard as I could. Thus, samurai and archers came too (2 samurai and like 12 archers).

On Island 3, during the first few days, after the two innermost walls had been built (and subsequently breached), the samurai had nowhere left to retreat but into the city center where all the villagers gathered. At this point, their priority should be protecting their own archers and workers from hordes of greed, instead of prioritizing their own safety. I saw a cowardly samurai retreat first and foremost and let 3 out of 4 of is archer squad die, on top of a bunch of builders. If their job is protecting archers, why are they programmed to retreat first? They should always stay between their own archers and the Greed. This is outrageous.

The most irritating thing was that I could not even die and get a new heir. For the next week the Greed consistently took gold and tools/weapons but refused to take my crown. Developers better look at their code because ever since the new patch things are behaving weird to say the least.

[Sapador]

Originally posted by vitez_vaddiszno:

If their job is protecting archers, why are they programmed to retreat first? They should always stay between their own archers and the Greed.

I agree that this could be improved. In fact, they protect, but they also lead the group, so archers are not worried to where they should go, and when they should leave. They follow their leader expecting to be safe by doing so. Maybe they should retreat with a fixed formation, and when they feel they're safer (for example, an 'x' distance from a Greed) then the leader pass beyond his archers resuming their natural moving formation. It would be a minor and beautiful refinement that, in most cases, would not change the results of a battle.

[vitez_vaddiszno]

Originally posted by Sapador Castelo:

I agree that this could be improved. In fact, they protect, but they also lead the group, so archers are not worried to where they should go, and when they should leave. They follow their leader expecting to be safe by doing so. Maybe they should retreat with a fixed formation, and when they feel they're safer (for example, an 'x' distance from a Greed) then the leader pass beyond his archers resuming their natural moving formation. It would be a minor and beautiful refinement that, in most cases, would not change the results of a battle.

Agree, although it might be more meaningful than what you think. In my case it caused a total destruction of my base because they hid inside the exposed center, leaving all my villagers slaughtered. Samurai's distance from the city center should also be taken into account, they have skewed priorities.

If they are at the 5th or 6th walls, let them retreat, losing a small plot of land is no big deal. But if they are at the innermost wall, they should defend it tooth and nail.

[Sapador]

This makes sense.

[Valinos]

The art of management. :)

[OKOK]

"they retreat first" yes they turn around and walk to hide. those 4 archers will follow behind and thus move into the enemy.