Super serum machine

[bstangeby]

Finished research and thought okay 100 vitality on my muscle. Build 3 of them to speed up the process. Finished the side quest for martial artists and noticed that the new guards trained already had 100 vitality. So you only need to construct one of the super serum machine and they gain instant 100 vitality? Does the same apply to the multimedia education, video games, cloning machine? Only need to build one of them for the bonus to apply?

[ImHelping]

It is poorly worded in game so you will not be the last to ask this, and hardly the first.

The initial upgrade is by default. but when they lose it they need the specialty machines to go from 50 to 100 again. As normal recovery items can only refill people back up to 50 tops.

If you only have one super serum machine, then only one muscle minion at a time below 100 health can be refreshed back to 100 health. Of you had NO super serum machine, then only freshly trained muscle minions would have 100 health and then they could never recover back up to 100. because beds, mess halls, and basic healing pods can only recover up to a max of 50 health.

Some people missing the point have tried to claim it is OP whaa whaa "it's FREE STATS" etc etc, but that is ignoring the tons of time wasted by discarded stat buffs through most of the game.

For example, Deception and Science minions get 100 smarts until the late tiers. Workers get 100 smarts early. a worker with 100 smarts training into a scientists or valet drops back down to 50 smarts for most of your tech tiers.

Now imagine if every single fresh worker that came into your base wanted to stop by evil 101 to fill up to 100, then went to train to another class, then lost those stats anyways.

even with the initial top off, it is a lot of busywork to bounce back up to 100, and so many jobs drain both smarts and morale at the same time that only one upgraded stat instead of both won't let people work much longer than if they had no upgraded stats at all.

[andrew.ch.]

Research increases the maximum scale of characteristics from 50 to 100. But in order to fill the scale of characteristics to the maximum value (in our case, from 50 to 100). Minions need to use new items (which you also got after researching).

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by andrew.ch.:

A strange decision has been implemented. Instead of restoring everything in one place. You need to restore to 50 in one (original) and from 50 to 100 in the other (which you unlock as you research).

Padding = planning challenge(?)

[Peregrine]

All of the 'Upgrade beyond 50' items you research apply the initial bonus once you have researched it. So if you research Super Serum all your guards will be boosted to 100 health BEFORE you even build the initial device. The advantage the device itself has AFAIK is a massive boost in healing speed.

[bstangeby]

It sound a bit strange that get the bonus just by researching. It should be changed that need to visit all those items that boost above 50 to gain the bonus.

[andrew.ch.]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Padding = planning challenge(?)

Do not be angry. It is necessary to fill the waiting time with something until the minions get to the task on the world map.

[Cheet4h]

Originally posted by bstangeby:

It sound a bit strange that get the bonus just by researching. It should be changed that need to visit all those items that boost above 50 to gain the bonus.

That is already the case, except for newly trained minions.
If your minions get into a fight and get hurt, they cannot be healed above 50 by the normal healing pod, they need to go to their respective advanced healing items.

[rad_knight]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Originally posted by andrew.ch.:

A strange decision has been implemented. Instead of restoring everything in one place. You need to restore to 50 in one (original) and from 50 to 100 in the other (which you unlock as you research).

Padding = planning challenge(?)

its not really a challenge, just a a waste of resources. its not challenging, just annoying.