Denuvo

[CocZilla]

Whats the point of paying for Denuvo? Any popular game is bootlegged first day, denuvo or not. Then for us legit customers... It makes loading the game much slower. Not a fan of Denuvo. My game list shows, I pay for games. Im fine with DRM, long as it doesn't make it run worst. Which Denuvo always does... Slower load times, dropped FPS, plenty of tests showing this. I'm sure you can test it yourself as well and see performance gains from removing it.

So if it doesn't work and creates a headache for customers, whats the point of paying to include Denuvo?

I plan to buy it still. But if I find the bootleg loads and works better, I will be playing the DRM broken version. Thats only because I loved the original and wish to support you still.

[W+M1]

Mandatory Denuvo Malware Installation: no thanks

It's a shame, looks like a game I would enjoy. But I am not buying and installing a game that requires the installation of Malware.

When is it coming to GOG?

[Wtan6290]

they need to remove denuvo from EG 2 right away.

[Kunovega]

Sorry, no pirating the game for you.

[Vilkata]

It's not about pirating, mate, the protection will likely be cracked in short order anyway, given Denuvo's questionable track record. No, it's about punishing legit players by dragging down the performance of their copies. In situations like this, it's often true that cracked copies of these games run better than paid-for versions.

The decision to add such a divisive piece of DRM to a game that already is relying heavily on nostalgia sales, rather than a long-standing established franchise, would be shortsighted indeed.

Now, I have not seen official confirmation that Denuvo is being added to EG2, only that there was evidence of testing it. Many developers have had to remove Denuvo due to the backlash from their playerbases, so this thread, if they're using Denuvo, is important and should garner attention.

If Denuvo really is being implemented with this game, it should be removed.

[Seto]

Originally posted by Vilkata:

The decision to add such a divisive piece of DRM to a game that already is relying heavily on nostalgia sales, rather than a long-standing established franchise, would be shortsighted indeed.

EG1 had securom, so a divisive piece DRM should add to the nostalgia factor.

[ゲ-で]

Don't forget that denuvo makes you vulnerable to lizardmen from Orion.

[linkharden12]

denuvo is ran by trump so it should be removed right now

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Vilkata:

It's not about pirating, mate, the protection will likely be cracked in short order anyway, given Denuvo's questionable track record. No, it's about punishing legit players by dragging down the performance of their copies. In situations like this, it's often true that cracked copies of these games run better than paid-for versions.

The decision to add such a divisive piece of DRM to a game that already is relying heavily on nostalgia sales, rather than a long-standing established franchise, would be shortsighted indeed.

Now, I have not seen official confirmation that Denuvo is being added to EG2, only that there was evidence of testing it. Many developers have had to remove Denuvo due to the backlash from their playerbases, so this thread, if they're using Denuvo, is important and should garner attention.

If Denuvo really is being implemented with this game, it should be removed.

They don't remove it due to backlash, they remove it because they don't feel like paying for the service anymore.

The anti-tamper is intended to protect the game at least temporarily through the launch window, after that it's purely optional how many months to continue paying for it as a service.

Most games with it aren't even properly cracked, they are wrapped which leaves Denuvo running just blocked, so the idiots claiming that the cracked version runs better are flat out liars since they are still running Denuvo + the game + the wrapper that tricks it.

Whining over Denuvo is pure ignorance at this point.

The only version of Denuvo that's ever been shown to have issues was the anti-cheating software and this game wouldn't be using it anyway (since it's single player)

The anti-tamper doesn't even run while you are playing, it does a call in check when you launch and then goes dormant.

[Nightwolfnl]

We haven't had one of these threads for quite some time.

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Originally posted by W+M1:

When is it coming to GOG?

Probably never, unfortunately.

Personally I won't shop at gog after the cyberpunk mess. CDPR need to earn my trust again.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by Nightwolfnl:

We haven't had one of these threads for quite some time.

Yea, it's been about 4 hours.

[Marauder]

Are there genuinely people defending Denuvo? Now I've seen everything. As long as it's not the root access one, one can "endure" it. It's not going to stop pirates mind you.

Denuvo does negatively impact performance, quitte a bit so. Even developers have pointed this out. No need to accuse others of tinfoil hattery. It might provide protection for a few days, but it usually gets cracked in short order anyway.

Punishing legitimate buyers always seems like a weird move to me. And no, disliking Denuvo does not mean one is a pirate.

[Seto]

Originally posted by Marauder:

Are there genuinely people defending Denuvo? Now I've seen everything. As long as it's not the root access one, one can "endure" it. It's not going to stop pirates mind you.

Denuvo does negatively impact performance, quitte a bit so. Even developers have pointed this out. No need to accuse others of tinfoil hattery. It might provide protection for a few days, but it usually gets cracked in short order anyway.

Punishing legitimate buyers always seems like a weird move to me. And no, disliking Denuvo does not mean one is a pirate.

I cant talk for others, but me personally I dont care if a game has denuvo or not, im gonna buy regardless if i'm interested in the game.

Its absolutely not affecting my experience with the game, and i can understand why devs and publishers try to protect their intellectual products.

I think this whole anti-denuvo gamer movement roots in people wanting to pirate games at will and are pissed they can't anymore.

The only legatimate arguement against denuvo is the slight fps drop, but even that is blown up, because if you have decent hardware and the game is optimised well it won't be a problem. If the programming its ♥♥♥♥, the performance is going to be ♥♥♥♥ regardless of denuvo, ie cyberpunk.

[class101 [OLED deck]]

Another problem with Denuvo is that Windows games that would normally run under Linux, cannot because of Denuvo and only because of Denuvo.

[Kunovega]

Originally posted by class101 linux:

Another problem with Denuvo is that Windows games that would normally run under Linux, cannot because of Denuvo and only because of Denuvo.

Linux users are less than 1% of steam users, an amount so low that the majority of publishers will not care.

Pirating can cause losses in the 30% and higher range, measurable by the cliff drop in sales after a game is cracked instead of the usual slow decline, it's by far more important for most publishers to protect the game during the launch window for as long as possible, even if it's only a few days/weeks.

Denuvo isn't cheap either, it's a cost of over $100,000 a year and with extensive bonuses that get paid if the game achieves certain milestone sales records within the first month. (like they get an extra $100,000 if the game sells over 500,000 copies in 30 days)

Do you know why those bonuses are that high? Because if the full game is pirated they can literally watch the sales drop off and stagnate.

The publisher stops paying the denuvo license eventually simply because sales are no longer in a profitable range to maintain it. The theoretical blip of linux users who might buy it after that will still do so, but they wouldn't have made much impact prior either way.