Why is a damaging piece of software being sold on Steam?

[TemmieNeko]

These "speed up " programs are all BS, Windows DOES all this stuff FOR YOU .
you should be ashamed

[ObiSpud]

Windows does NOT do all that for you. Be careful what you call BS and any reference to malware, you may find yourself sued by the company if you do not have factual proof to back up your statements.

This software is NOT malicious or misleading. It does what they say on the tin. It may not be the best but it is legitimate. Overpriced considering you can do everthing it can do with free software.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice:

Windows does NOT do all that for you. Be careful what you call BS and any reference to malware, you may find yourself sued by the company if you do not have factual proof to back up your statements.

This software is NOT malicious or misleading. It does what they say on the tin. It may not be the best but it is legitimate. Overpriced considering you can do everthing it can do with free software.

it's a very well known fact that " speed up: [programs] are nothing but damaging to any PC.
you can say it's "overpriced" bt even if this was free, it is a damaging program.
Idc what brandname is behind it, none of this scamware does anything positive for you, it only feeds money into a system designed to prey on ignorant consumers.
Windows DOES this stuff.
it defrags automatically.
it throws out temp files automaticlly.
if you use gaming mode, it turns off processes you dont need to "speed up" the game you're playing.


what one feature does this trite actually give you?


don't defend this rubbish.
I know plenty of people that have used programs liek this, and all they did was break their PC's by corrupting the registry, and shutting own vital functions.

Just in case you aren't aware YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALTERING YOUR REGISTRY.

if at all you feel it's neccesary, use CC cleaner.
ANd even that isnt needed, Windows 10 does all the stuff morons will PAY FOR with programs liek this.

wake up man.

[ObiSpud]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice:

Windows does NOT do all that for you. Be careful what you call BS and any reference to malware, you may find yourself sued by the company if you do not have factual proof to back up your statements.

This software is NOT malicious or misleading. It does what they say on the tin. It may not be the best but it is legitimate. Overpriced considering you can do everthing it can do with free software.

it's a very well known fact that " speed up: [programs] are nothing but damaging to any PC.
you can say it's "overpriced" bt even if this was free, it is a damaging program.
Idc what brandname is behind it, none of this scamware does anything positive for you, it only feeds money into a system designed to prey on ignorant consumers.
Windows DOES this stuff.
it defrags automatically.
it throws out temp files automaticlly.
if you use gaming mode, it turns off processes you dont need to "speed up" the game you're playing.


what one feature does this trite actually give you?


don't defend this rubbish.
I know plenty of people that have used programs liek this, and all they did was break their PC's by corrupting the registry, and shutting own vital functions.

Just in case you aren't aware YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALTERING YOUR REGISTRY.

if at all you feel it's neccesary, use CC cleaner.
ANd even that isnt needed, Windows 10 does all the stuff morons will PAY FOR with programs liek this.

wake up man.

Let me put things in prospective, I AM employed as a malware researcher for a large US company and deal with malware daily, etc. I know what I am talking about.

I am NOT defending this company, I am stating FACT.

Don't lecture me on malware or other stuff you know little about. You are purely speculating on many things you feel about this software in comparison to other malicious software.

The product says it can speed up your pc. That is not stating any falsehood. If a machine is full of bad registry entries, hundreds of temp files, a fragmented HD, then YES it will speed up the pc. Not rocket science is it.

As for damaging a windows machine, yes that could happen but this could be due to factors unrelated to the software. Even Microsoft Windows has done it's fair share of blue-screening PC's on a big scale witn a KB update. Windows does also have issues with some people machines. So, are they BS and damaging to you too? No, get real.

It's you that needs to wake up and learn before you judge.

[TemmieNeko]

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice:

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

it's a very well known fact that " speed up: [programs] are nothing but damaging to any PC.
you can say it's "overpriced" bt even if this was free, it is a damaging program.
Idc what brandname is behind it, none of this scamware does anything positive for you, it only feeds money into a system designed to prey on ignorant consumers.
Windows DOES this stuff.
it defrags automatically.
it throws out temp files automaticlly.
if you use gaming mode, it turns off processes you dont need to "speed up" the game you're playing.


what one feature does this trite actually give you?


don't defend this rubbish.
I know plenty of people that have used programs liek this, and all they did was break their PC's by corrupting the registry, and shutting own vital functions.

Just in case you aren't aware YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALTERING YOUR REGISTRY.

if at all you feel it's neccesary, use CC cleaner.
ANd even that isnt needed, Windows 10 does all the stuff morons will PAY FOR with programs liek this.

wake up man.

Let me put things in prospective, I AM employed as a malware researcher for a large US company and deal with malware daily, etc. I know what I am talking about.

I am NOT defending this company, I am stating FACT.

Don't lecture me on malware or other stuff you know little about. You are purely speculating on many things you feel about this software in comparison to other malicious software.

The product says it can speed up your pc. That is not stating any falsehood. If a machine is full of bad registry entries, hundreds of temp files, a fragmented HD, then YES it will speed up the pc. Not rocket science is it.

As for damaging a windows machine, yes that could happen but this could be due to factors unrelated to the software. Even Microsoft Windows has done it's fair share of blue-screening PC's on a big scale witn a KB update. Windows does also have issues with some people machines. So, are they BS and damaging to you too? No, get real.

It's you that needs to wake up and learn before you judge.

yeah when did i say malware?
jesus christ.
so to sum up your bible here - If your pc is slow, and you are an absolute moron, and have disabled every single automatic upkeep function on your pc, than THSI IS THE PRODUCT FOR YOU .

[ObiSpud]

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

there is literally not a single program that claims to do the stuff this does that is actually a legitimate program .
they are worse than downloading malware.

No, you implied it was malware as stated in your post in the other thread.

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

so to sum up your bible here - If your pc is slow, and you are an absolute moron, and have disabled every single automatic upkeep function on your pc, than THSI IS THE PRODUCT FOR YOU .

Now you are being childish and taking things out of context.

I DO NOT recommend this product BUT it's not malicious or bloatware. I do believe they are asking money for a product that does everything other products do for free and better.

If you are going to argue, at least come back with sensible factual statements not dribble on with incorrect deformatory stuff.

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

Just in case you aren't aware YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALTERING YOUR REGISTRY.

Partially correct but registry's do get corrupted (FACT) and provided you backup your registry (CCleaner gives you that option prior to selecting 'Fix all') you can remove defunct keys. Registry cleaning is useful at times. Obviously I never advise anyone to mess with registry entries unless they know what they are doing but to state "YOU SHOULDN'T BE ALTERING YOUR REGISTRY" is another incorect statement from you. Some programs require a person to manually edit a registry by following the guide they give you using regedit.exe.

Again you are parroting things you obviously do not understand or know about.

[meu]

iamverysmart

[Kamikaze]

Bloatware on steam for money :( This is the end.

[Allen]

Slice'N'Dice and TemmieNeko if I may throw in my 2 cents worth:

Before I get started, I just want to state that I am a freelance computer technician so I do have experience with dealing with this stuff.

While I can't speak for this application, the general concept when it comes to the registry (in a lot of user's minds but not everyone) is that modifying the register can be dangerous and leave your computer in unuseable/unstable state if done carelessly. And of course Slice'N'Dice you've already addressed that with

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice':

Obviously I never advise anyone to mess with registry entries unless they know what they are doing

The reason why many users see this kind of software as "scamware" as TemmieNeko claims, is due to the fact that a handful of software that claim to do most if not all of the same features that this software does: "Speed up your computer", "Find and fix issues", "Keep your drivers up to date", etc etc. However, the issues there is that they request what I would consider an unreasonable amount of money just to do the same thing that alternative, more trustable and possibly free (like CCleaner) can do.

Not to mention that these type of software is usually bundled as a PUP (Potentially Unwanted Program) with installers of free software, typically accidentally installed when a user clicks through the installer too quickly without taking time to review everything thus installing a piece of software the user never actually wanted hence the name PUP or in some cases "bloatware".


But let's address some earlier points as well

Originally posted by TemmieNeko:

it throws out temp files automaticlly.

This isn't always the case, I've had windows actually keep temp files to a point where I've had to go and manually clean them out.

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice:

The product says it can speed up your pc. That is not stating any falsehood. If a machine is full of bad registry entries, hundreds of temp files, a fragmented HD, then YES it will speed up the pc. Not rocket science is it.

There's actually a bit more to it when it comes to "speeding" up your computer, a slow computer might not be the result of a fragmented hard drive, or bad registry entries; it's very possible that a user could have a bottleneck with their hardware. Just because you have an i7 and 16 GB of RAM, doesn't mean your system will fast, especially if your hard drive is old or dying (Note just using these as an example, not sure what you guys are actually running)

As long as there's a bottleneck, your PC might be slow until it's fixed and while yeah it could just be bad registry entries or a fragmented hard drive, it's also possible that malware could be the result of the slow down. While it might not be rocket science, it's not as simple as it may seem.


Overall, both of you do have some valid points and some perhaps invalid points, but as for if this application is trustable, you'd have to buy it and analyze it to find out. Anyway that's my 2 cents, thanks for reading!


One last thing,

Originally posted by Slice'N'Dice:

Let me put things in prospective, I AM employed as a malware researcher for a large US company and deal with malware daily, etc. I know what I am talking about.

I'm curious what company you work for, of course you don't have to answer that I understand privacy and all. But I do have another question since you have experience dealing with malware daily: What piece of malware is difficult for antiviruses to remove and will prevent you from booting into safe mode because of how deeply rooted it makes itself into the operating system? You can give the name (and the type if you want) of the malware.

[ObiSpud]

You have made some valid points but I was not really going into any detail, just lightly covering some issues.

Yes you will have many types of software (like this one) bundled with free installers which often install hidden stuff but this one doesn't do that. As for classifying soiftware as a PUP, it is far more involved. You have to look at the EULA, whether they have given an option to unselect items in the install plus those items actually do not get installed after deselecting, etc., etc.. PUP's is a minefield due to legal issues which follow by company(s) who contest being detected as such. Some AV companies will remove a PUP classification on a particular brand due to not wanting to have a long drawn out court process.

As for the malware you asked about, an early loading kernal rootkit would cover your question. A current one is Smartservice rootkit.

I am not going to go into any more depth or discuss who I work for etc., as it's off topic. Needless to say, I tested this software and had confirmation by our PUP team that it's legit.

Obviously as I (and you) have stated in this thread, paying for this high priced software should be avoided as there are plenty of free stuff that will do all this one does.

[Ossific²]

All of you have some great points, but I think the best point that all three of you summed up is.. Use CC Cleaner. lol

[Gordon]

one thing this thread dose not cover is SSD's and any software not designed to handel them will make your computer slower as it will damage them your standerd HDD no.