Why tf are there no medics?

[Ada Wrong]

im very tired of being forced to play medic everytime i play higher difficulty missions because apparently no one else can or even wants to

this been genuinely bothering me with the amount of time i spent in this game it is SO RARE to see medics and the very few i see are actual aliens who act like they've just discovered basic human function for the first time in their life and are extremely underqualified for that role

you'd think for a class as crucial as medic where it can solo carry an entire team in a clinch and bring back a lost match there would be more people who play it and PROPERLY

from my experience no one thoroughly knows what medic does in this game i see so many people thirst medkits and heal themselves for less than half the value IN FRONT OF ME and i just watch them with a blank stare or when teammates go down others revive them by hand instead of letting me revive with stim so they get overheal AND i get stim back with 0 risk
or the most common issue is classes that absolutely have no need for equipment kits keep stealing them resulting in either a complete wipe or severe detriment to survivability

the very few medics i see never use stim or mostly waste it unnecessarily on themselves hence never being able to actually save anyone
hoard medkits for their personal use never healing anyone even though a medics medkit slot should always be empty since they can instantly regain one
and lastly they act like they dont have a gun in their hand and are mostly dead weight for the team
so many matches i always top frag as medic over classes like hellraiser and exterminator by simply using the provided guns in the level and a somewhat decent aim

[Winter]

Im almost maxed out to the 25% damage boost, and I like how medic can just own others in kills and head shots. It's the others who often don't know how to benefit from a medic that can kill my desire to play em. I try turning off crossplay, but I hate waiting. At least I can tel em what I'm trying to do FOR them.

[Young_Tang12]

i can play with you

[Tomie Kawakami]

Originally posted by youngtang1020:

i can play with you

Me too

[schicic]

Medic is one of the most tanky classes in the game too. You can solo Extreme with the right build for it, so I use the extreme build on all modes lol.

That being said though. I used to play medic 24/7 because of this on PS4 until I just stopped caring about the story missions and started playing horde mode all the time. There the only benefits of having a medic is heals, which is only helpful on a few occasions early on if you have good players. Later in the horde mode its useful though.

[Winter]

anyone can feel free to add me if you're looking for more friends in this game

[BORG]

Originally posted by Tomie Kawakami:

Originally posted by youngtang1020:

i can play with you

Me too

I also play with these two. They're both enjoyable players to game with. They're patient, don't take things too seriously and just like to have a good time.

I also role as medic a lot of times when I play for the simple fact that yes, a lot of people seem to ignore the importance of it. You're welcome to play with us. Just don't scream at us in voice if we make mistakes. We don't like to play with short tempered angry people. Figuring out player chemistry can take some time. I'm visually impaired, but I still do a pretty good job as a team player to the best of my ability.

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by Winter:

Im almost maxed out to the 25% damage boost, and I like how medic can just own others in kills and head shots. It's the others who often don't know how to benefit from a medic that can kill my desire to play em. I try turning off crossplay, but I hate waiting. At least I can tel em what I'm trying to do FOR them.

yep this proves my point further because if only people understood the assignment (which to be fair they really should at this point) this would be a non issue
medic has way too many responsibilities for people not to know how to utilize its perks,
from protecting your cubs like a mother lion making sure everyone is always at full health to masking everyone at the right time for different situations to using the stims for pure dmg output to wipe out hordes and all of that is reliant on teammates knowing to leave some equipment kits for medic and using the buffs medic gives them properly

having a match where everyone knows about that is rare and it doesn't help that half the playerbase cant even read in game chat due to dumb console limitations

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by schicic:

Medic is one of the most tanky classes in the game too. You can solo Extreme with the right build for it, so I use the extreme build on all modes lol.

That being said though. I used to play medic 24/7 because of this on PS4 until I just stopped caring about the story missions and started playing horde mode all the time. There the only benefits of having a medic is heals, which is only helpful on a few occasions early on if you have good players. Later in the horde mode its useful though.

if you pair a knowledgeable medic with a boxer (box fixer) it'll be very hard for the team to lose even in horde mode cause you'll always have consistent horde clearing with 50% flat dmg boost from stims combined with explosive rounds every single bullet becomes a 1 shot even to body with bullet penetration being the only limit and since no ones gonna die and wait on respawn or revive timer there is almost no downtime to that consistent dps
plus idk how many people know this but you can stim ANY player who is pinned it'll instantly break the grab and mask them while boosting their dmg and giving them overheal including yourself meaning if you time it right you can save yourself from pretty much all specials

So i'd say medic is a must in all game modes tbh which is all the more ridiculous that i don't see too many of them as i should

[BORG]

Originally posted by Ada Wrong:

Originally posted by schicic:

Medic is one of the most tanky classes in the game too. You can solo Extreme with the right build for it, so I use the extreme build on all modes lol.

That being said though. I used to play medic 24/7 because of this on PS4 until I just stopped caring about the story missions and started playing horde mode all the time. There the only benefits of having a medic is heals, which is only helpful on a few occasions early on if you have good players. Later in the horde mode its useful though.

if you pair a knowledgeable medic with a boxer (box fixer) it'll be very hard for the team to lose even in horde mode cause you'll always have consistent horde clearing with 50% flat dmg boost from stims combined with explosive rounds every single bullet becomes a 1 shot even to body with bullet penetration being the only limit and since no ones gonna die and wait on respawn or revive timer there is almost no downtime to that consistent dps
plus idk how many people know this but you can stim ANY player who is pinned it'll instantly break the grab and mask them while boosting their dmg and giving them overheal including yourself meaning if you time it right you can save yourself from pretty much all specials

So i'd say medic is a must in all game modes tbh which is all the more ridiculous that i don't see too many of them as i should

Maybe if they have the prestige and all the perks. Not every Medic prefers to play with the same perks either as we all have our different play styles we work best with. Same goes for the Fixer.

What you outlined is often why I generally don't play a lot of public sessions and tend to stick to friends. I generally play public sessions long enough to meet a few new nice people, we add each other and hook up later to play again someday. Some people expect too much out of their teammates and are too worried about and invested in perfection numbers and kills moreover just letting others do the best they can while having a good time with them.

A big reason many don't like to play the medic role is because too much accountability is put on their shoulders and if they don't do what's expected or make a mistake, it's somehow all their fault for the team taking a fall and in some cases, get their face ripped off for no good reason. Some people just don't want to put up with that level of unnecessary stress while gaming so it's easier to play a different class where they are less depended upon. They're also less likely to get their face ripped off.

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by BORG:

Originally posted by Tomie Kawakami:

Me too

I also play with these two. They're both enjoyable players to game with. They're patient, don't take things too seriously and just like to have a good time.

I also role as medic a lot of times when I play for the simple fact that yes, a lot of people seem to ignore the importance of it. You're welcome to play with us. Just don't scream at us in voice if we make mistakes. We don't like to play with short tempered angry people. Figuring out player chemistry can take some time. I'm visually impaired, but I still do a pretty good job as a team player to the best of my ability.

well

i'd be lying if i said i have a kind attitude
but the nature of the games i grew up playing always demanded a calm and clear mind so even though i fully expect people to pull their own weight i dont really lose temper if they fail to do so to me it just means i have to pick up their slack and since that's been the majority of the players in public matches by default i expect 0 cooperation so i just automatically do their jobs for them while also making sure they dont die so they can have somewhat of a fun match without expecting anything in return regardless if they deserve it or not

but again at the same time i'd be lying if i said i dont see them as a buncha disappointing useless teammates hence why i dont use a mic its not my job to teach them how to play neither would yelling at them do any good if a mistake has already been made

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by BORG:

Originally posted by Ada Wrong:

if you pair a knowledgeable medic with a boxer (box fixer) it'll be very hard for the team to lose even in horde mode cause you'll always have consistent horde clearing with 50% flat dmg boost from stims combined with explosive rounds every single bullet becomes a 1 shot even to body with bullet penetration being the only limit and since no ones gonna die and wait on respawn or revive timer there is almost no downtime to that consistent dps
plus idk how many people know this but you can stim ANY player who is pinned it'll instantly break the grab and mask them while boosting their dmg and giving them overheal including yourself meaning if you time it right you can save yourself from pretty much all specials

So i'd say medic is a must in all game modes tbh which is all the more ridiculous that i don't see too many of them as i should

Maybe if they have the prestige and all the perks. Not every Medic prefers to play with the same perks either as we all have our different play styles we work best with. Same goes for the Fixer.

What you outlined is often why I generally don't play a lot of public sessions and tend to stick to friends. I generally play public sessions long enough to meet a few new nice people, we add each other and hook up later to play again someday. Some people expect too much out of their teammates and are too worried about and invested in perfection numbers and kills moreover just letting others do the best they can while having a good time with them.

A big reason many don't like to play the medic role is because too much accountability is put on their shoulders and if they don't do what's expected or make a mistake, it's somehow all their fault for the team taking a fall and in some cases, get their face ripped off for no good reason. Some people just don't want to put up with that level of unnecessary stress while gaming so it's easier to play a different class where they are less depended upon. They're also less likely to get their face ripped off.

what your saying would be correct if this game had a more in depth rpg mechanics with multiple viable choices to actually make an entire build catered to your unique playstyle but its sadly not its very linear in the options you have in terms of perks that can cover
most aspects of the game so while there is always good perks in most columns that you can pick in order to like how you say have more fun with the limited variety majority of the time there is a best in slot perk in each column that outperforms the rest

what i stated is exactly that, the best in slot perks a medic should always have just like any other class if they intend to guarantee a win in any given situation without relying too much on individual player skill so that's why i can safely assume if someone is criticising a class that they are basing it off of the best possible state the class can be in

now as for the accountability part i already discussed a similar reply with someone else in this forum
But i'll say this that i'd call it responsibility because a medic is in fact responsible if a team falls not at fault or to blame but responsible because even though your team might not be the best and is making frequent mistakes it is your role to pick up their slack and keep them in a fight for as long as literally possible its a huge burden but very doable as i do it consistently myself and im sure no logical person would ever blame the medic for a team wipe if the medic clutch revived them numerous times when they kept dying and saved them from the craziest clinches but they still lost i've personally never had anyone rip into me since day 1 of picking this game up cause they are fully aware they have no right to as long as i did my job

so all and all yes it is a very demanding class and thats precisely my point of this discussion more people should play it learn and get comfortable with it but no less a very crucial role that should always be filled

and lastly i understand playing for fun and having laughs believe me i do the goofiest stuff
while with my friends but thats not to be confused with downplaying the time and effort people i play with are putting in the game that's just simply disrespectful imo
so i'd never excuse myself if i picked a game up without any prior research and hop in a match buck naked then go like "oh i was just playing for fun" when the team wipes of which i was the direct cause of

[schicic]

People always blame the medic on extreme. It doesn't matter if revive the whole team time after time, it still happens and is why I only solo that game mode now.

The medic is responsible for keeping the team alive because it is their job, but you cannot blame them certain situations. That is what happens, and that is what we were talking about.

[BORG]

Originally posted by schicic:

People always blame the medic on extreme. It doesn't matter if revive the whole team time after time, it still happens and is why I only solo that game mode now.

The medic is responsible for keeping the team alive because it is their job, but you cannot blame them certain situations. That is what happens, and that is what we were talking about.

Precisely. Ada Wrong's last responses are why it's so hard for newcomers to enjoy the game and why new player retention is so minuscule. They just don't feel welcome in the community because snobbish veteran players expect them to be pro and as usual, they say it's not their job to teach them the game. Well, it's pretty discouraging for newcomers to want to learn or stick around when they see this sort of attitude in the community.

I always try to help new players if I can, to encourage them to keep trying and get better at the game. I usually use a mic to do this too and it really does help a lot to at least try to engage with the players. Most newbies are usually quite receptive of and appreciate the help. When veteran players choose to not use a mic and then complain about newbies and not wanting to help them - that's kind of where I stop taking them seriously. Can't just expect a newbie to naturally know everything about the game and pick things up in mere minutes.

Guidance can go a long way. Everybody learns at different paces and through different means. Some learn better by reading, some learn better by doing and some learn better by hearing something explained to them. Some people just can't understand that though nor do they want to have the patience to bother because they are too focused on self.

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by schicic:

People always blame the medic on extreme. It doesn't matter if revive the whole team time after time, it still happens and is why I only solo that game mode now.

The medic is responsible for keeping the team alive because it is their job, but you cannot blame them certain situations. That is what happens, and that is what we were talking about.

yep that's what i said in bold text twice now :)

and players must understand it is your job to figure out if the feedback you receive is just or unjust to know if you should be taking offense or trying to better yourself which in the case where if a medic truly did everything right and still gets blamed for the team loss then that is unjust feedback most likely from people who dont understand what they are talking about therefore it doesn't matter what they say that should not discourage you from playing what you like

[Ada Wrong]

Originally posted by BORG:

Originally posted by schicic:

People always blame the medic on extreme. It doesn't matter if revive the whole team time after time, it still happens and is why I only solo that game mode now.

The medic is responsible for keeping the team alive because it is their job, but you cannot blame them certain situations. That is what happens, and that is what we were talking about.

Precisely. Ada Wrong's last responses are why it's so hard for newcomers to enjoy the game and why new player retention is so minuscule. They just don't feel welcome in the community because snobbish veteran players expect them to be pro and as usual, they say it's not their job to teach them the game. Well, it's pretty discouraging for newcomers to want to learn or stick around when they see this sort of attitude in the community.

I always try to help new players if I can, to encourage them to keep trying and get better at the game. I usually use a mic to do this too and it really does help a lot to at least try to engage with the players. Most newbies are usually quite receptive of and appreciate the help. When veteran players choose to not use a mic and then complain about newbies and not wanting to help them - that's kind of where I stop taking them seriously. Can't just expect a newbie to naturally know everything about the game and pick things up in mere minutes.

Guidance can go a long way. Everybody learns at different paces and through different means. Some learn better by reading, some learn better by doing and some learn better by hearing something explained to them. Some people just can't understand that though nor do they want to have the patience to bother because they are too focused on self.

Hmm
Well apparently you're no saint either from my pov you are encouraging lack of self accountability and telling people to be comfortable with making repeated mistakes at others expense

Really not sure how your're gonna sit there and call me a "snobbish veteran" after i addressed all your concerns positively in a fair and reasonable manner if anything you literally just did the exact thing to me that you were arguing people like me do to newbies i legit just wrote a whole paragraph about how i'm very tolerant of clueless players and i always try to give them a chance to experience end game content while asking nothing in return and yet you paint me as the bad guy for encouraging self discipline and bunch me up with the type of people who do the exact opposite whom i also dislike

And im just as unsure of how you're gonna say that im at fault for new player retention failure cause i said the most common sense fact and that's i am not responsible for a noobs shortcomings im not here to guide the 90% of players i match up with and im definitely not gonna take initiative to teach them about game mechanics they dont even care to learn especially when majority have no means to communicate this with while in game a lot of people have voice chat turned off and are console players who cant see chat you are assuming every noob is trying to be better while that's not the case AT ALL a lot of them straight up refuse to acknowledge anything
and will absolutely take offense if you even suggest a better way of doing what they are doing

believe it or not i was also a new player at some point ( crazy, i know ) i did my own research and never gave anyone a reason to talk bad about me google exists for a reason which proves my point further that if people REALLY wanted to learn they have all the means and tools to do so but nah they rather burden others with their slack instead and then demand tolerance, again its not my job to tell people how to play i can only provide some tips and tricks granted they are willing to listen which often times they aren't

So i dont understand what you're tryna get at, it's almost like you didn't even bother properly reading my comments