Please update/fix the friendly AI

[Eminent Demon]

The AI are practically brain dead, even on the lowest difficulty they die easily and put up little to no fight. Can you guys update them or fix the,? Playing solo is pointless because the AI are no help at all, they are merely meat shields.

[Spudda]

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İlk olarak Spooda tarafından gönderildi:

Yup those people are in denial. The bots are very bare bones and lazily implemented. I feel like most people here just like a pick a stance and defend their point rather than have a productive conversion on how to improve the game.

But you are different from all others.

Dude?

[Decker]

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İlk olarak Spooda tarafından gönderildi:

Yup those people are in denial. The bots are very bare bones and lazily implemented. I feel like most people here just like a pick a stance and defend their point rather than have a productive conversion on how to improve the game.

But you are different from all others.

Bots are still bad though, regardless of your opinion. Just accept it and move on.

[Decker]

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İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

We can get two things out of this thread.

1. The bots are undeniably bad.
2. Some people have very low standards, and are easily pleased when it comes to ally A.I.

Yup those people are in denial. The bots are very bare bones and lazily implemented. I feel like most people here just like a pick a stance and defend their point rather than have a productive conversion on how to improve the game.

It's funny how that always happens when we have constructive criticism in regards to something that would benefit everyone in case it were improved. There is always someone to defend something that is clearly bad.

[Reaper]

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We can get two things out of this thread.

1. The bots are undeniably bad.
2. Some people have very low standards, and are easily pleased when it comes to ally A.I.

Actually the only thing out of this thread is that plenty of people can't play the game and need the ai to play it for them. Even playing with just a pistol I can get through a game without ever having a bot incap, let alone die.

[Decker]

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İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

We can get two things out of this thread.

1. The bots are undeniably bad.
2. Some people have very low standards, and are easily pleased when it comes to ally A.I.

Actually the only thing out of this thread is that plenty of people can't play the game and need the ai to play it for them. Even playing with just a pistol I can get through a game without ever having a bot incap, let alone die.

Yes, that can be done, and it's easier to pull of in the lowest difficulty. It becomes a problem in the higher difficulties.

This can also be done completely solo in the highest difficulty, as it can be seen on YouTube.

Whether people can pull it off or not, doesn't matter; different players, different skills, different preferences when it comes to playing their game. By all means, if you enjoy playing the game on lowest difficulties or by yourself, go for it; you paid for it.

>>> Bots are still bad though. <<< :)

[RibcageRob]

The bots are pretty bad, but the one thing they do decently is fight. They wont do as well as you, but if they did any better they would destroy any challenge that exists by default.

Some improvements that i would suggest are allowing them to carry med-packs, equipment, "that they could give to you like in left 4 dead" and even toxic vials or defense kits "that they could also give to the player". It would massively reduce the tedium of playing solo, and also make it so that on higher difficulties they aren't a significant nuisance.

Add in the ability to call the AI to you via the mark function to boot, and you have a great quality of life patch.

[♂TheBlasterMaster™✞]

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But you are different from all others.

Bots are still bad though, regardless of your opinion. Just accept it and move on.

Name a game with amazing player bots?

[Decker]

As I previously stated above:

"Look at Left 4 Dead 2 and Warhammer: Vermintide 2 for reference of much better implemented (albeit not perfect) bots."

Left 4 Dead bots heal you/themselves, pick up and give you medkits so that you may use them as you see fit. They're also far more competent than WWZ's.

Vermintide 2 bots mimic the classes, perks, and gear that you have equipped; they use skills and abilities.

We're not demanding WWZ's bots to play the game for us, only that they have some thought put into them. Other similar games (one being much older than WWZ) have done it better, so why the hell not?

[nomorevideos]

İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

As I previously stated above:

"Look at Left 4 Dead 2 and Warhammer: Vermintide 2 for reference of much better implemented (albeit not perfect) bots."

Left 4 Dead bots heal you/themselves, pick up and give you medkits so that you may use them as you see fit. They're also far more competent than WWZ's.

Vermintide 2 bots mimic the classes, perks, and gear that you have equipped; they use skills and abilities.

We're not demanding WWZ's bots to play the game for us, only that they have some thought put into them. Other similar games (one being much older than WWZ) have done it better, so why the hell not?

Except L4D2 is a terrible example here, L4D2's bots are awful. The only game with good coop bots is BO4's zombie mode and ONLY because the bots literally cheat. That's what it takes to have "good" bots, you just need to let them cheat by ignoring 75% of enemy damage. And even those bots, on second thought, are still awful, because not only do they cheat, but they're selfish pricks who'll not revive you half the time, even if you're right next to them.
L4D2 bots are no better than the ones in WWZ. L4D2 bots are brain-dead and even them being able to heal injured players is a handicap more than anything, because they'll constantly pester you and try to heal you in the worst possible moments. They'll also constantly waste temp health buffs like pills and adrenaline. Even a community made mod that "fixes" the bots, improves them, doesn't really do much. They're still awful and I'd rather have a griefer on my team, because at least a griefer will play normal until the inevitable betrayal, while bots will betray you 24/7.

[Decker]

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İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

As I previously stated above:

"Look at Left 4 Dead 2 and Warhammer: Vermintide 2 for reference of much better implemented (albeit not perfect) bots."

Left 4 Dead bots heal you/themselves, pick up and give you medkits so that you may use them as you see fit. They're also far more competent than WWZ's.

Vermintide 2 bots mimic the classes, perks, and gear that you have equipped; they use skills and abilities.

We're not demanding WWZ's bots to play the game for us, only that they have some thought put into them. Other similar games (one being much older than WWZ) have done it better, so why the hell not?

Except L4D2 is a terrible example here, L4D2's bots are awful. The only game with good coop bots is BO4's zombie mode and ONLY because the bots literally cheat. That's what it takes to have "good" bots, you just need to let them cheat by ignoring 75% of enemy damage. And even those bots, on second thought, are still awful, because not only do they cheat, but they're selfish pricks who'll not revive you half the time, even if you're right next to them.
L4D2 bots are no better than the ones in WWZ. L4D2 bots are brain-dead and even them being able to heal injured players is a handicap more than anything, because they'll constantly pester you and try to heal you in the worst possible moments. They'll also constantly waste temp health buffs like pills and adrenaline. Even a community made mod that "fixes" the bots, improves them, doesn't really do much. They're still awful and I'd rather have a griefer on my team, because at least a griefer will play normal until the inevitable betrayal, while bots will betray you 24/7.

My experience with L4D2 bots differs heavily from yours, so I respectfully disagree. Though far from perfect, I still defend them as being far more competent than the ones in WWZ, specially considering the game is MUCH older. I can't speak for BO4's though, as I've never played it.

[DeadSlash]

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İlk olarak Fear_TH3_Reap3R tarafından gönderildi:

Sounds like user error to me. I've played solo on the lowest difficulty and never once had a single bot die.

Are you stupid or something? The bots are brain dead, they are basically meat shields. So you saying user error is complete nonsense, as you only play on the lowest difficulty

Great reason you shouldn't use hyperbole. YOU said in your OP that EVEN ON THE LOWEST DIFFICULTY they don't work.

You rightfully got called on that because it's a lie, OR you're straight up terrible at the game.

If you meant that they aren't helpful after the 3rd difficulty, you should have said that. You undermined your own point with hyperbole. Most people won't read this far down into your thread because they will laugh at you and move to the next thread when they read that you can't pass the game on the easiest setting with the bots.

You can get as indignant as you want, you said bots are bad on the easiest setting, imagine people reacting and replying to what you said instead of what you secretly meant?


Hyperbole is not the friend of valid points. When will people figure that out?

[♂TheBlasterMaster™✞]

İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

As I previously stated above:

"Look at Left 4 Dead 2 and Warhammer: Vermintide 2 for reference of much better implemented (albeit not perfect) bots."

Left 4 Dead bots heal you/themselves, pick up and give you medkits so that you may use them as you see fit. They're also far more competent than WWZ's.

Vermintide 2 bots mimic the classes, perks, and gear that you have equipped; they use skills and abilities.

We're not demanding WWZ's bots to play the game for us, only that they have some thought put into them. Other similar games (one being much older than WWZ) have done it better, so why the hell not?

L4D2 bots are famious for standing over you and letting you die without healing. They also require a bot mod to make them even usable. The L4D2 forum is full of bot haters. They are awful bots. Vermintide 2 bots are better but their forum also has MANY complaints about their bots. Be realistic. The WWZ bots will separate from you and defend a zombie hoard funnel area very well but will not use items. People don't understand your job when playing with bots only is you must heal them. If they die, that's your fault.

[Decker]

İlk olarak TheBlasterMaster™ tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

As I previously stated above:

"Look at Left 4 Dead 2 and Warhammer: Vermintide 2 for reference of much better implemented (albeit not perfect) bots."

Left 4 Dead bots heal you/themselves, pick up and give you medkits so that you may use them as you see fit. They're also far more competent than WWZ's.

Vermintide 2 bots mimic the classes, perks, and gear that you have equipped; they use skills and abilities.

We're not demanding WWZ's bots to play the game for us, only that they have some thought put into them. Other similar games (one being much older than WWZ) have done it better, so why the hell not?

L4D2 bots are famious for standing over you and letting you die without healing. They also require a bot mod to make them even usable. The L4D2 forum is full of bot haters. They are awful bots. Vermintide 2 bots are better but their forum also has MANY complaints about their bots. Be realistic. The WWZ bots will separate from you and defend a zombie hoard funnel area very well but will not use items. People don't understand your job when playing with bots only is you must heal them. If they die, that's your fault.

Yeah yeah, we can argue over this for eternity, but ultimately, they're still bad. End of story.

[♂TheBlasterMaster™✞]

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İlk olarak TheBlasterMaster™ tarafından gönderildi:

L4D2 bots are famious for standing over you and letting you die without healing. They also require a bot mod to make them even usable. The L4D2 forum is full of bot haters. They are awful bots. Vermintide 2 bots are better but their forum also has MANY complaints about their bots. Be realistic. The WWZ bots will separate from you and defend a zombie hoard funnel area very well but will not use items. People don't understand your job when playing with bots only is you must heal them. If they die, that's your fault.

Yeah yeah, we can argue over this for eternity, but ultimately, they're still bad. End of story.

Which is my point. Why complain about player bots when all suck compared to humans. Some are a little better. Some are a litter worse. These bots seem about average to me.

[Decker]

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İlk olarak JohnDecker49 tarafından gönderildi:

Yeah yeah, we can argue over this for eternity, but ultimately, they're still bad. End of story.

Which is my point. Why complain about player bots when all suck compared to humans. Some are a little better. Some are a litter worse. These bots seem about average to me.

That I noticed. For instance, I never had problems with bots in New York; they seem to be reliable and responsive.

At other times they're brain dead, slow, and just get in the way.

Most of my problems would be solved if I didn't have to rely on them to get rid of special zombies who got me. It's literally the only thing we can't do ourselves (except with some perks).