If you prefer Monika or Yuri you need serious help. (Spoiler Warning)

[memes]

I don't care if I'm offending half the community, I'm gonna say the truth. Monika is a psychopath who kills her 3 friends and then forces and traps you to stay with her. Yuri is an insane Yandere and maniac who "cuts herself with your poems so your blood is inside her", she has no problems watching other people die in stories and probably IRL too and might even enjoy it. THESE ARE THE TYPES OF GIRLS WHO WOULD SLIT YOUR THROAT IF THEY GET BORED OF YOU. Sayori, on the otherhand, is an innocent girl who is just overwhelmed by her love and emotions and goes suicidal for you due to confusion of her own feelings but there is no malicious intent, and Natsuki acts tough to hide the fact she is a pure and innocent girl. Her core is extremely honest and loving, like Sayori's is. Meanwhile Monika and Yuri are MANIACS. Yes, I said it. This is 100% the truth. I know people are allowed to like whoever but for real, but know MONIKA AND YURI WOULD KILL YOU IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT (unless you're into that) while Sayori and Natsuki GENUINELY love you, without a psychopathic obsession or narcissitic traits that Monika and Yuri have.

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facts

[Vash_Reign]

These are just fictional characters. It's not that deep lol

[kukuhimanpr]

^remember that fictional characters have helped inspired human civilizations in various stuff sinceforever, not to mention the whole big industries of entertainment and culture stuff that gives people job securities+shared camaraderie+ whatever else. and ddlc characters are deeply complex in nature with many relevant themes that connect them to many people with similar struggles irl.

[Kanarek]

I think I have to clarify a few misconceptions here (obviously, spoilers are incoming) because things aren't as superficial, shallow, and simple:


1. Monika's condition and situation is very specific. One does need to know the full picture to understand her.

2. Yuri isn't such a monster until insanity claims her completely.

3. Sayori isn't all that innocent. She tricks you into joining the club and later attempts to get money from you for food but the main character (you) sees her through and thus her attempt fails before it even started. Plus, she is capable of logical thinking and planning when she is talking about the festival preparations with Monika and comes with the idea of preparing cupcakes to lure people and thus get their interest. This all proves she is capable of being manipulative and actually is, in a way, despite being overall a good person. Her being dishonest is what drew me away from her in my blind playthrough and shifted my attention towards Yuri.

4. Natsuki is indeed underappreciated.

5. Sayori not having obsessive qualities? What about Act 4? If I remember correctly, Monika seems to intervene in order to not let Sayori harm you by being with you forever. Sounds like the harmless yandere type that focuses on your good without wanting harm to anyone. Puts her innocence into question as she appears strangely attached to you in Act 1 anyway, as if she can't live healthily without you. And overall, her relationships focused on giving and not wanting anything in return is not healthy.

[Kanarek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Vash_Reign:

These are just fictional characters. It's not that deep lol

It's not an AI generated content that doesn't have actual plot, message, depth, and artistic emotion/qualities behind it. DDLC is indeed that deep and that's good.

[Rachel D.]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kanarek:

I think I have to clarify a few misconceptions here (obviously, spoilers are incoming) because things aren't as superficial, shallow, and simple:


1. Monika's condition and situation is very specific. One does need to know the full picture to understand her.

2. Yuri isn't such a monster until insanity claims her completely.

3. Sayori isn't all that innocent. She tricks you into joining the club and later attempts to get money from you for food but the main character (you) sees her through and thus her attempt fails before it even started. Plus, she is capable of logical thinking and planning when she is talking about the festival preparations with Monika and comes with the idea of preparing cupcakes to lure people and thus get their interest. This all proves she is capable of being manipulative and actually is, in a way, despite being overall a good person. Her being dishonest is what drew me away from her in my blind playthrough and shifted my attention towards Yuri.

4. Natsuki is indeed underappreciated.

5. Sayori not having obsessive qualities? What about Act 4? If I remember correctly, Monika seems to intervene in order to not let Sayori harm you by being with you forever. Sounds like the harmless yandere type that focuses on your good without wanting harm to anyone. Puts her innocence into question as she appears strangely attached to you in Act 1 anyway, as if she can't live healthily without you. And overall, her relationships focused on giving and not wanting anything in return is not healthy.

I disagree on some parts of sayori while sure she IS manipulative but she's dishonest because of her depression (which I think was Monika playing with the code? But it's been awhile.)

[kukuhimanpr]

long spoilers ahead. prepare to read a lot (ddlc requires a lot of reading to understand the whole big picture of what the actual truth is going on):
all the dokis have their unique negative traits embedded inside their personality coding even in the MES control version where its monika doesn't get the epiphany 4th wall breaking experiment.

the original ddlc vm1 dokis' negative traits become increasingly much more prominent because paula's MES 'scientists' programmed monika to try seeking ways out of the ddlc simulation in any ways she can, but they also made her and the dokis never able to escape because their purpose of the experiment is to observe what would happen if a human (in this case, its monika. monika and the dokis are designed to become very humanlike ais but also have strict limitations due to their ai coding nature, and monika is set as the main experiment subject with higher awareness and capabilities but still very limited as ai) knows that there's another world/dimension outside their reach which is far superior than their flawed world.

anyway, paula's MES group used mc as the direct connection to the 'real world' (its just the MES corporation network though in the experiment).

monika saw mc... then her programming to 'escape' as dictated by the experiment scripts gets triggered. she know paula's MES group has given her some admin power to manipulate the game script to some extent to help her escape from the simulation. at first, she tries to do subtle harmless methods to try getting much time to be near mc alone so she can analyze him and find a way to escape into 'reality'.

but paula's MES group also turned the experiment into a dating simulator game because they're bored and want to LARP as evil software engineer scientists or something.

so they programmed sayori, yuri and natsuki with flag romance routes with mc so they could gather more data on what monika would do once she gets frustrated again and again that she's trapped in an intentionally flawed 2d dating game with very few asset contents that would make any human beings insane if cooped up too long in there, and her club members and herself are just ai coded personalities under the whims of unknown higher powers that control the experiments for mysterious reasons.

as predicted, monika gets very frustrated that all her soft humane methods are purposefully designed to fail. its also not helping that everytime paula's MES group close the 'game' she gets rgb cacophonic nightmares due to her exposure of the epiphany induced by paula's MES group. also her 4th wall breaking epiphany happens long before she meets mc, so she's already tortured so much by that rgb cacophonic nightmares until she drowns in nihilistic perspective of 'life', losing all joy of her 'senses' and the 'world' becomes gray and colorless around her, and she even contemplates 'suicide', but she knows paula's MES group would just restore her and the game world again for their experiment.

anyway, monika eventually starts resorting to drastic measures. twisting the other dokis' negative parameters to high levels so that she thinks it will make the other dokis be undesirables and so mc will spend time with monika instead. but paula's MES group just make mc focus more on helping sayori because he's designed to be sayori's childhood friend. monika eventually just try broking the game instead through the end of act 1 until act 3 the space classroom, from sayori's 'suicide', to yuri's 'harakiri', and natsuki's 'deletion'.

then when monika does gets the time to analyze mc as much as she wants in the act 3 space classroom, she realized she's stuck in the classroom because paula's MES group will still never gave her the ability to 'escape' into 'reality'. so in desperation and some madness she drops hint to 'players' (paula's MES group) instruction on how to 'delete' her. and she admits despite knowing the fake ai persona nature of herself and her club members, she doesn't actually delete their files and she just put them into slumber mode. she still treasure the friendships with them even if they're all just ai codes.

so she exiled herself from the game. restoring the game as best as she can while putting herself into slumber mode because she's tired of trying to escape and always failing. then paula's MES group just choose sayori as the next club president and main subject. and sayori in turn suffered monika's epiphany and rgb cacophonic nightmare as well. then sayori who had high depression as her main personality feature compared to monika who's designed as calm friendly confident leader succumbs instantly to the epiphany madness, instantly bringing mc to the space classroom so that she can spend time with mc as much as she want while fulfilling the main directive of trying to escape as set by paula's MES group.

monika was horrified by this turn of events. she realized that paula's MES group can just replace her with sayori, yuri and natsuki as their main subjects if monika refused her role. so with the remaining admin power she has, she destroyed the simulation 'completely', as a 'mercy killing/deletion' of herself and her friends so that they can't be experimented and tortured by Paula's MES group again.

of course, Paula and her MES evil scientists LARP group can just resets the whole game again, to gather another batches of data from another playthrough of ddlc... they need those ai experiment data to be presented to their higher ups so that they could sell it or gain prestige or something to save their jobs...

man... theorizing ddlc is both fun and depressing. thats why the answer to all the dokis (and mc) dilemma is to just rescue them by modding the game or write stories and make artworks about it.

[Kanarek]

Thank you for your explanation, kukuhimanpr! I think I have finally read a comprehensive explanation of the plot.

Thinking about Monika's remark about people not being two-dimensional, I truly missed the second meaning of it: that she is aware of the assets being two-dimensional rather than more lifelike. I didn't realise that she is that aware and had so much knowledge.

Besides, this explanation finally makes it clear why the characters stay interested in you despite you (the main character) showing interest in only one or two characters. Real people might have noticed it and lost interest in you, or simply behaved somewhat differently than a programmed AI as it is the case in DDLC.

[yaheera]

[Felix Raison]

Fact, bro.

[Lattemore]

I still think Monika or Yuri is the best.

[rip_josuke]

Ik i sound like Monika crazy fan(I'm not lol) but what would you do if realise that you're in videogame and all people around are just scripted bots? It's hard to stay sane.
Abt Yuri: Monika made her maniac by changing her script.Base version isn't crazy(at least not that much).

[Kanarek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh rip_josuke:

Ik i sound like Monika crazy fan(I'm not lol) but what would you do if realise that you're in videogame and all people around are just scripted bots? It's hard to stay sane.
Abt Yuri: Monika made her maniac by changing her script.Base version isn't crazy(at least not that much).

Initially, I also thought that Yuri (base version) wasn't crazy. But as time passes... I incline towards thinking that she wasn't that crazy as she was made. That is... I'm beginning to see that Yuri might have been a little crazy in Act 1 already. As if she had slight stalking yandere vibes to her.

[rip_josuke]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kanarek:

Diposting pertama kali oleh rip_josuke:

Ik i sound like Monika crazy fan(I'm not lol) but what would you do if realise that you're in videogame and all people around are just scripted bots? It's hard to stay sane.
Abt Yuri: Monika made her maniac by changing her script.Base version isn't crazy(at least not that much).

Initially, I also thought that Yuri (base version) wasn't crazy. But as time passes... I incline towards thinking that she wasn't that crazy as she was made. That is... I'm beginning to see that Yuri might have been a little crazy in Act 1 already. As if she had slight stalking yandere vibes to her.

Maybe, because she already have been cutting herself(srry if I used wrong time, I'm not American/Britain and don't speak English too well). But more like she had mental health issues. She was a little yandere, but due to her personality it wasn't as obvious and visible as in Monika route(idk how to number Acts right).
P.S. my favourite doki is undoubtely Sayori. I've downloaded Normal VA mod just to see happy ending with her.

[Kanarek]

Diposting pertama kali oleh rip_josuke:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Kanarek:

Initially, I also thought that Yuri (base version) wasn't crazy. But as time passes... I incline towards thinking that she wasn't that crazy as she was made. That is... I'm beginning to see that Yuri might have been a little crazy in Act 1 already. As if she had slight stalking yandere vibes to her.

Maybe, because she already have been cutting herself(srry if I used wrong time, I'm not American/Britain and don't speak English too well). But more like she had mental health issues. She was a little yandere, but due to her personality it wasn't too obvious,

Exactly! When I played the game blind, the yandere undertones weren't obvious at all in Act 1 and I missed them entirely. And I think it also depends on the route the player takes in Act 1. I did somewhat unusual route (when replaying the game recently) of writing for Natsuki (but choosing Yuri when the two girls started arguing), Yuri, and then Sayori in Act 1, in this order. Things got really messed up that way, hence I could observe the characters from a different perspective. I still haven't seen all this game has to offer, including the other, alternate ending.

Also, in Act 2, when writing exclusively for Natsuki, Monika giggles when leaving you alone with Yuri at the end of Act 2 (during my run I did when replaying the game). This might mean that she enjoys being a villain and that makes me question her innocence as a character. She fakes confidence and generally her persona she shows to everyone feels fake. It all makes me wonder if she really is a good person. Natsuki and Yuri don't seem to like Monika much because they always tell her (in both Acts I mean) that the argument between Natsuki and Yuri about language in poems doesn't involve her.
Or maybe Monika just witnessed so much tragedy and horror in her life that it changed her and she doesn't really care much about certain things anymore. Clearly that behaviour (giggling when leaving you alone) is that of dark humour because she clearly knows what is about to happen.

Monika has good qualities to her character but her deeds and behaviour put her good nature into question. These slight and vague hints scattered throughout the game might be the key to learning her true nature and intents. Currently, it's hard for me to say anything about her for certain, in contrast to what I can say about the other girls. Yuri's just severely depressed and that might explain her interest in self-harm and horror, as well as a number of other things, including yandere undertones. If I recall correctly, she told something about not being liked and not being appreciated by people in general, and that would explain her depression.

Side note: English also isn't my native language but I see you're pretty good at speaking English.