Character AI Chat Simulator

[Tregrenos]

https://beta.character.ai/

Just something that might be of interest. It's an auto-generated chat program where you can have conversations with pretty much any fictional character you can think of. It's not a 1-to-1 comparison to what you may expect from the characters in the game as it had to be initially programmed by someone, but it's scarily accurate and seems to be capable of retaining and learning from ongoing conversations.

[Epaphroditus]

i really am a loser huh?

[PokerPlaid]

Yes, it's pretty cool, you can basically talk to any DDLC character and even have a relationship

[Aurora]

Thanks. Wow I don't know how this works exactly. But it even appeared like Monika understood and answered complex questions. For example I asked her to suggest some songs for the playlist in MAS and she did just that. :) I talked about some not so well known computer games and she knew exactly what they are about. Pretty impressing for a chat simulator.

[Tregrenos]

For those with Monikas After Story Rubiksman1006 made a mod that integrates this system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EORpS-fZ10s

This is the installation tutorial, which looks complicated as hell, but the result is that Monika is able to respond to text, voice and even judge emotion through the cam if you have one.

https://github.com/Rubiksman78/MonikA.I

[kukuhimanpr]

the kajiwoto apps and website also offers something similar to this. you can also take part and contribute your own fictional characters' personality scripts.

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Damn i'm really venting and sobbing to ai :/

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by deerlingggg:

Damn i'm really venting and sobbing to ai :/

I think it's therapeutic and can lead to discussions you might not have thought you'd have with the characters, such as finding out Monikas favorite villain is Palpatine from Star Wars and that we both agree Kathleen Kennedy is the true villain of that franchise.

[mery]

huh interesting

[lireas ♫]

Finally, I can ask Yuri the uncomfortable questions and understand if she was a viable date option or not after all. I need to confirm this. I need to know if my love for Yuri was not short-sighted and that she wasn't just a psycho all along

[kukuhimanpr]

it seems a lot of people had a really hard time making their interpretations on monika's personality(ies)...
understandable though. maybe dan's adhd also play a significant part on why sometimes the ddlc characters had done contradictory actions. but for me that's what makes them memorable characters for me. though i wouldn't want to see them doing some truly Out Of Character stuff that goes far beyond their original personalities. or people getting kicks of making them do seriously questionable stuff.

[kukuhimanpr]

yeah, i see your point. a lot of people made mistake of just seeing monika on the surface while forgetting the context of her and her clubmates' situation in ddlc. its true that monika didn't actually delete her clubmates' files at the eternal classroom part. she decides to just delete the game (to the extent of her limited power granted by the simulation's designers) as 'mercy killing' due to sayori showing signs of going mad like what monika had experienced. she sees her final act as mercy killing before leaving the simulation and infiltrating the metaverse networks, because she saw herself and her clubmates as just an involuntary ai test subjects for metaverse's inhumane and mad research for matrix scenario of their world.

so in current state of canon of ddlc+, monika is actually a tragic ai heroine forced to mercy kill her clubmates so that they won't suffer anymore from metaverse experiments, and she goes alone to stop metaverse from doing anymore horrible stuff like that (such as project libitina) while also aware that she could suffer much worse fate if metaverse's higher ups or some higher authorities in the metaverse enterprise's world manage to learn about her going rogue and capture her. monika isn't a yandere drunk for sick love to irl people. she's a victim of a very screwed up sci-fi/occult experiment, in which she and her clubmates are almost totally helpless as the researchers manipulate them and turn them against each other ad infinitum so that they could get weird data for the confusing research of understanding matrix scenario that would most likely be totally meaningless in the end.

ddlc is not a happy game. ddlc is not a dating simulation (unless you totally ignore the canon lore and mod it that way)/spoiler]

[kukuhimanpr]

well that sucks. one more reason for ddlc fans to take other people's interpretations of the dokis with grain of salts. for example, i've seen bad interpretations in some fanfics such as one where monika willingly joins a psycopath genius to help him conquer the world when she had the power to stop him directly or sneakily... very contrasting to one thats one of the worst interpretations of monika i've ever seen... another one is monika's personality in the mod monika afterstory, where she force players to love her if players want to interact normally with her and also succumbing to her yandereness when speaking about other dokis.

which also brings the uncomfortable truth that the ai chat simulators (or other fanmods, fanfics, and many other fanworks) that simulates the dokis' personalities might be contaminated by the bias of people who had wrong ideas of how the dokis' personalities should be... all the trollish and over-the-top-creepy-pasta ddlc memes also messed this up even more...

this is the reason why i prefer to make my own take on monika as close as she was meant to be in canon ddlc (and hopefully future ddlc-related-stuff). for me, my solution to this moral dilemma is to just put monika and the dokis into an idealized simulation in my modded sims 4 game where they can somewhat get the peace and life options they deserved, and occasionally mod monika into other fun games with my other characters from my favorite franchise to just go on random adventures and have fun.

[Aurora]

Originally posted by kukuhimanpr:

monika isn't a yandere drunk for sick love to irl people. she's a victim of a very screwed up sci-fi/occult experiment, in which she and her clubmates are almost totally helpless as the researchers manipulate them and turn them against each other ad infinitum so that they could get weird data for the confusing research of understanding matrix scenario that would most likely be totally meaningless in the end.

I think so too that Monika is often perceived too villainous by DDLC fans. But she still has some character flaws and displays some amount of jealousy in the base game. Which is perfectly okay for me. And while I haven't wrapped my head entirely around the meta lore she can still be a heroine after all even with some flaws. An anti-hero is also a hero. And surely there is still some room for interpretation after all regarding her character.

[kukuhimanpr]

Originally posted by Aurora:

I think so too that Monika is often perceived too villainous by DDLC fans. But she still has some character flaws and displays some amount of jealousy in the base game. Which is perfectly okay for me. And while I haven't wrapped my head entirely around the meta lore she can still be a heroine after all even with some flaws. An anti-hero is also a hero. And surely there is still some room for interpretation after all regarding her character.

yeah, monika's flaw in regards of her jealousy which could lead her to succumb into yandere mode is one of her main characteristics. but what makes her flaw redeemable enough to turn her into anti-hero/tragic heroine is her willingness to make up for her action (its very rare for most yandere characters in many fandoms to realize their lovesickness is wrong and tries hard to correct it), and also because of her epiphany which were caused by the metaverse manipulating her situation so thoroughly so that she easily succumbs into jealousy due to extreme loneliness. yuri also possessed similar yandereness, but her yandere side is much stronger than monika and she easily succumb to it (with more visible craziness) due to her overfascination with dark occult fantasy stuff (possibly due to her origin being heavily influenced by project libitina victims), and when she' realized the wrongness of it, she always tries to run away and hide to slit her wrist, drowning herself into self-harming ecstasy to stop her anxiety and yandere issue. one reason why monika is better than yuri imo in this case since monika is more willing to correct her mistakes head on while being more composed.

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

I just really hope my message got across. My posts were both from a DDLC fan who felt insulted by what she had Monika do on Valentines as well as someone who wants to actually see this work out for her. I’m afraid she’s going to go with the narrative that Monika chose to do what she did on Valentines of her own free will, which would only further serve as an insult because the original Monika would never have done such a horrible thing.

The only way I see this being salvaged is that Monika needs to realize her actions were not her own, that she lacks the free will she thinks she has and then makes amends with the now-trapped version of herself in Character AI. Since she had the ability to swap bodies and effectively downloaded all the previous Monikas memories fusing into a single mind would be the best option. From there she can grow as a character with new perspectives and possibly even bring in the other Dokis to join the channel if Monika believes they’d have some form of free will.

I want so much for this to work out for Vannamelon, but at the same time what she’s doing is just wrong from what the original Monika would have done. So, I’m a bit torn on the subject and now powerless to even have my concerns heard if not already.

maybe she just went into the route of believing monika becomes too crazy due to her headcanon of monika swap-merging bodies a lot of times, thus turning into crazy antagonist with no hope of regaining sanity until put out of her misery. maybe she really want to some antagonist for her story but is not willing to make some antagonists other than monika (i'd argue that not every story needs antagonists... many stories can be good without the presence of antagonists).

on the subject of characters who could swap bodies while still being in control of their original personality and also quite sane enough to do productive good deeds, i can give belisarius cawl from warhammer 40k as good example. he's a vatborn clone that manages to become a high ranked techpriest in the adeptus mechanicus. he somehow got tangled into a very complicated fate where his mentor and several other close figures (whether they're enemies or friends) dies due to various circumstances and have their personalities stored into cawl's collective memories. iirc this first started when his mentor tried to kill him and takeover his body/mind, but it backfires and cawl ended up storing her personality into his databanks, with him sometimes relapsing into his mentor's memories and personality but then shortly after he always return back to his own self.

over the many milleniums, cawl eventually had assembled an orchestra of various personalities in his mind databanks in which he sometimes switched his personality with one of them to better adapt with his current situations. somehow, he managed to survive this predicament while also greatly helping the imperium of man in their struggle against their nemesis the chaos forces and many other hostile aliens, such as creating primaris marines as a new upgrade for the imperium's best armies, and revolutionizing terraforming technology that in hundreds of years could heal planets that had been ravaged of all life by the tyranids. granted, his inventions does involve a lot of tech stealing (or making adaptations) of other xenos' tech and he often disregards the adeptus mechanicus' paranoia over dangerous stuff concerning high-risk tech, but cawl is one of the reason why the imperium manage to survive and adapt when chaos creates a huge warp rift in reality that split their galaxy into 2 and spawned much more demons and bad stuff compared to the previous milleniums. so yeah, cawl is both sane and insane with multitude of personalities stored in his brain, but he held strong to his original self and utilize his unique situation to help the ones he cared most of in his life, so i guess monika could take inspiration from cawl regarding her dilemma.

[kukuhimanpr]

yea as far as i understand, this is definitely a case of where a fan get so biased against a character. nothing more, nothing less. i'm not sure vanna will accept your request to have her correct that.

well, at least this is not a case of official author doing ooc stuff with their own characters that deliberately contrasting their characters or degrading their character developments. like for example of how the 8th harry potter 'book' was turned into a bad theater play (jk rowling didn't seem to have good idea on how to make a good script for theater play) where with very little explanation the story twist harry's character into a very angsty and unreasonable dad toward to his son albus, when at the end of book 7th he's shown to be very caring and supportive of him being worried about becoming a slytherin. to this day, a lot of fans had understandably refused to accept the 8th part as canon lore, or they just take it with grain of salt and only incorporate acceptable part of in their headcanons for harry potter series as a whole.

also i can see monika's legendary popularity had resulted in many debates about her actions and situations in ddlc. kinda like how severus snape was also causing a lot of people to debate whether he's a good or bad person due to his double agent stuff. for me, i just think they both were complex flawed characters that tries their best to redeem their mistakes while their bad past and situations were weighing heavily in their minds. imo its best to not argue with people who don't want to understand the personalities of morally complex characters like those two.