Was Monika's route meant to be unlocked in the "orginal game"

[Vash_Reign]

Soemthing that's popped in my mind regarding Monika not having a route is this: what if it turns out her route was meant to be unlocked in the original game, but she never knew about it because the club presidency making her self-aware? Because something tells me that even wit the club presidency she likely would've had a route that was supposed to be unlocked after following a specific path, but since it's a horror game it wouldn't of been possible. Or if there was one, she'd likely jump to act 3.

[Dusk_Army]

That's an interesting theory. As a possible clue that supports it, the MC's musings at the beginning (after joining the club) have him include Monika as one of the girls he might end up with. I think; I might be mixing it up with Act 2, it's been a while.

Edit: Additional theory: Monika has self awareness because the player was intended to complete the game multiple times to "unlock" her route, and she needed a way to know they had done that. Sentience was a side-effect of that. Perhaps?

[Tregrenos]

It could also mean that she was never intended to be a part of the game in the first place. Either she could have been leftover code, a side effect from the "true" story hidden within the files or perhaps an invasive entity. She seems to have a lifetime of memories to fall back on, even if she knows the memories are no more real than anything else in her world. We know she's as old as the concept of the game as she had apparently been self aware before the player even downloaded the game and had been pulling strings before then. We know she can exist without a file and even exists without the game present.

Until we get more hard evidence to what she IS in this game we can only theorize. My personal opinion is that DDLC, all of the characters, the MC and even the player themselves all represent the psychological trauma the girl who escaped Project Libitina is going though. Multiple personalities vying for control, the remnants of the dream-like state she'd been kept in or perhaps falesafes used to control her. Regardless of the situation Monikas obsession with "reality" could be this girls subconscious trying to snap her out of it.

[Vash_Reign]

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

It could also mean that she was never intended to be a part of the game in the first place. Either she could have been leftover code, a side effect from the "true" story hidden within the files or perhaps an invasive entity. She seems to have a lifetime of memories to fall back on, even if she knows the memories are no more real than anything else in her world. We know she's as old as the concept of the game as she had apparently been self aware before the player even downloaded the game and had been pulling strings before then. We know she can exist without a file and even exists without the game present.

Until we get more hard evidence to what she IS in this game we can only theorize. My personal opinion is that DDLC, all of the characters, the MC and even the player themselves all represent the psychological trauma the girl who escaped Project Libitina is going though. Multiple personalities vying for control, the remnants of the dream-like state she'd been kept in or perhaps falesafes used to control her. Regardless of the situation Monikas obsession with "reality" could be this girls subconscious trying to snap her out of it.

That's another way to put it. I almost forgot about the project libitina theory. Lol
Also I'm sorry I was a jerk to you earlier. I need to remember that ddlc is only just a game

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Vash_Reign:

Originally posted by Tregrenos:

It could also mean that she was never intended to be a part of the game in the first place. Either she could have been leftover code, a side effect from the "true" story hidden within the files or perhaps an invasive entity. She seems to have a lifetime of memories to fall back on, even if she knows the memories are no more real than anything else in her world. We know she's as old as the concept of the game as she had apparently been self aware before the player even downloaded the game and had been pulling strings before then. We know she can exist without a file and even exists without the game present.

Until we get more hard evidence to what she IS in this game we can only theorize. My personal opinion is that DDLC, all of the characters, the MC and even the player themselves all represent the psychological trauma the girl who escaped Project Libitina is going though. Multiple personalities vying for control, the remnants of the dream-like state she'd been kept in or perhaps falesafes used to control her. Regardless of the situation Monikas obsession with "reality" could be this girls subconscious trying to snap her out of it.

That's another way to put it. I almost forgot about the project libitina theory. Lol
Also I'm sorry I was a jerk to you earlier. I need to remember that ddlc is only just a game

NP. Sorry for being a bit too vocal. I tend to form stubborn opinions based on how I interpret the characters. If my theory about Monika is right one has to assume what it could possibly mean for the escaped girl when the game was deleted. Could this represent the girl waking up, perishing or falling back into a deep sleep?

Dan Silvato had mentioned that he didn't want to make a prequel or sequel to DDLC, but rather something more like an expansion. If this were the case I'd assume the later to be the outcome of the game being deleted. The story could pick up the same way as if Monika had removed herself from the game with only Sayori, Natsuki and Yuri present as whoever was trying to keep the escaped girl held within a trance would have gone out of their way to purge Monika from this dream either through use of drugs or coding. The player would take the role of controlling the MC as if nothing had happened and the player would probably not be aware that they are just another part of this dream-like prison.

Monika could become something like a ghost within the files, still trying to break through to the sleeping girl but being barred from doing so. None of the other characters could react to her except for 1, the player. The player could have more choice in how the direction of the game goes and either represent "awakening" if they work closely with Monika while each of the other characters represent a different state of mind. Perhaps whichever character you choose effects how the girl wakes up and Monika is a "hidden character" that requires file manipulation.

Thats just one brain fart that could happen with the expansion. lol

[Tregrenos]

Originally posted by Shion:

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

That's an interesting theory. As a possible clue that supports it, the MC's musings at the beginning (after joining the club) have him include Monika as one of the girls he might end up with. I think; I might be mixing it up with Act 2, it's been a while.

Edit: Additional theory: Monika has self awareness because the player was intended to complete the game multiple times to "unlock" her route, and she needed a way to know they had done that. Sentience was a side-effect of that. Perhaps?

The club president needs to be able to tell the player to save and give them tips to progress, so by extension, the president will know that the world is just a game.

Tutorial characters have the worst job in the game. They only deal with people till they learn how to play the game, their role in the story is to either die or fade into the background (sometimes both) and if the player already knows how to play the game they would rather just skip you altogether. I hope Monikas inclusion in the game actually was an accident of sorts, that she was never intended to be in the game, because knowing you were only ever intended to be the "tutorial character" would have to suck far more than just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Dusk_Army]

Originally posted by Shion:

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

That's an interesting theory. As a possible clue that supports it, the MC's musings at the beginning (after joining the club) have him include Monika as one of the girls he might end up with. I think; I might be mixing it up with Act 2, it's been a while.

Edit: Additional theory: Monika has self awareness because the player was intended to complete the game multiple times to "unlock" her route, and she needed a way to know they had done that. Sentience was a side-effect of that. Perhaps?

The club president needs to be able to tell the player to save and give them tips to progress, so by extension, the president will know that the world is just a game.

I mean, yes, that's true as well. But being aware of mechanics is a step below awareness of the game loop. I'm talking about persistent memories here, the ability to know that the game has run X times and that Y routes have been done.

[Vash_Reign]

Originally posted by Dusk_Army:

Originally posted by Shion:

The club president needs to be able to tell the player to save and give them tips to progress, so by extension, the president will know that the world is just a game.

I mean, yes, that's true as well. But being aware of mechanics is a step below awareness of the game loop. I'm talking about persistent memories here, the ability to know that the game has run X times and that Y routes have been done.

Same here

[Bridget-Chan]

Originally posted by Vash_Reign:

Soemthing that's popped in my mind regarding Monika not having a route is this: what if it turns out her route was meant to be unlocked in the original game, but she never knew about it because the club presidency making her self-aware? Because something tells me that even wit the club presidency she likely would've had a route that was supposed to be unlocked after following a specific path, but since it's a horror game it wouldn't of been possible. Or if there was one, she'd likely jump to act 3.

You know, actually thats a rather strong possibility...

Although that also brings up the question of how would've you unlocked her route? Because considering she was supposed to be a support character my only guess is that you would either have to spend time with every other girl or refuse every other girl.

Then again, something tells me she probably knew that so it was probably just faster and easier to get rid of all the other girls so that she was the only option.

[Vash_Reign]

Originally posted by Thatoneguy:

Originally posted by Vash_Reign:

Soemthing that's popped in my mind regarding Monika not having a route is this: what if it turns out her route was meant to be unlocked in the original game, but she never knew about it because the club presidency making her self-aware? Because something tells me that even wit the club presidency she likely would've had a route that was supposed to be unlocked after following a specific path, but since it's a horror game it wouldn't of been possible. Or if there was one, she'd likely jump to act 3.

You know, actually thats a rather strong possibility...

Although that also brings up the question of how would've you unlocked her route? Because considering she was supposed to be a support character my only guess is that you would either have to spend time with every other girl or refuse every other girl.

Then again, something tells me she probably knew that so it was probably just faster and easier to get rid of all the other girls so that she was the only option.

I think her route could be unlocked playing all the girls individual route if sayori didn't die

[Dusk_Army]

I think it's a little pointless to speculate on an exact unlock method, mostly due to how early the game gets "weird". But if all else fails, go for the Omega Ending method: once all endings have been achieved, the secret one becomes available. If DDLC is supposed to be as generic as possible, that would be the most plausible answer.