Do we really need the warning?

[z]

I think it takes away from the atmosphere of the game. I would rather slowly notice something is wrong than expect it right away.

[z]

we dont need trigger warnings to spoil the plot twists. The stuff that happened in this game wasnt even that bad.

[z]

Origineel geplaatst door Ranylyn:

Origineel geplaatst door oniichan:

if the game was just marked psychological mature 18+ that would be plenty.
Oh no the horror, my anime waifu died

Would you like a chance to rethink this wording before I reply? Because I'm offering it.

EDIT: I feel I should clarify. I'm not into "waifu culture" so I took no offense, but I think the way it's worded is quite condescending, and I'd rather not have anything in my reply come across as a personal attack. So I basically wanted to see if you wanted to meet halfway, kind of thing.

reply whatever u want, ur argument is basically ppl who have depression would kill themselves after playing a game like this. there are much better ways of informing the audience that the game has mature themes than 15 trigger warnings is all I'm trying to say.

[Talithmara]

All right. Reply incoming. Don't worry, I promise I thought it out enough that it's not bad.


Different people take things in different ways. As someone with depression, my own personal experience is that IF something gets under my skin, it stays with me for a LONG time - there's things that have happened 20 years ago that I'm still not "over." This is important to keep in mind; depression was singled out in the warnings when starting the game, alongside anxiety. The creator knows the target audience and doesn't want to inflict undue freakouts.

(I checked out DDLC out of a sense of morbid curiosity after being told it's not what you'd expect, and seeing the warnings, and yeah, I think that if I wasn't expecting things to get "interesting", I would have been WRECKED, largely because of my condition and how that led to me relating to Sayori. Even going in with the warnings, days later, my mind is still racing about it. It really isn't particularly suited for people with depression and anxiety issues. And I don't mean "lol get over it" depression, I mean professionally diagnosed, legit mental condition depression.)

Furthermore, Act 1 is done with the intent of establishing the characters and letting the player get to know them before things get... "interesting." This is good - it makes you give a crap, and I hate stories that skip this introductary period to just get to the crap without the player caring about anyone. Problem is, I've actually SEEN people complain about this being a "false" intro, just to pull a "cheap" bait and switch, because they don't understand good storytelling. Problem is, they'd actually have a point if not for the warnings.

A lot of games use "psychological horror" as a troll tag for bad games, and marking it as mature or 18+ would just bring in the people looking for hentai. It's important to get the experience to the right people.

So yeah, it's not a case of "my waifu died, the horror." Not in the least. A lot of this could actually be seriously psychologically damaging to specific groups of people, and just going "LOL GOT YOU" would probably invite lawsuits. That's why there's actually a disclaimer and an "I Agree" button right IN the game. While I agree that it would be more impactful without the warnings, I think the warnings were pretty much essential.

[ItYuri]

same I agree with that

[Laeradr]

Origineel geplaatst door oniichan:

we dont need trigger warnings to spoil the plot twists. The stuff that happened in this game wasnt even that bad.

men, you really should consider getting rid of your thoughts-pattern. Its not your decision to classify a game as objectively "not that bad" or whatever. Its up to every single individual.
And btw, were not talking about "Blinkys Heartwarming Adventures in Everythingsfineland" (and im sure there even are some phobias regarding long titles or whatever - but thats where the real overexaggeration would probably start).
This game contains disturbing content that may act as an potential catalyst for depressions or anxiety - not because it just vomits gory pics at you, but because it slowly accalerates its disturbing weirdness and therefore connects already relatable builtup characters and psychological/physical violence. And the way it introduces Sayoris depression and suicidal tendencies is disturbingly realistic and resonated with a lot of people, if you didnt experience anything similar or just dont care, good for you. But there are people who suffered enough through depressions, suicide or whatever to know theyll definitely stay away from everything just vaguely related to those topics. Those warnings are there for a reason. They safeguard those who are too fragile to endure even the slightest amount of triggers and may be mislead by the obvious cute-dating-sim cover. Thats so much more valuable than perfecting a players gaming-experiences. And - again - were not talking about topics that are superspecific - were talking about depressions/suicide/self-harm, some of the most common mental disorders/connected effects.

[Sue]

I know very well how the game will turns out (thanks to the warning and my friends giving brief spoiler of the game) but the game still got me good. As others have said, it varies to each people.

Also don't underestimate how pissy people on the internet nowadays... I would imagine there would be a bigger issue if the dev doesn't give such warning.

[Ado]

I can’t believe how condescending and ignorant you are. Pulling the whole “we don’t need trigger warnings, people are such babies” ♥♥♥♥. You clearly have no idea what it’s like to have a real mental illness, this isn’t something you can control or just get past, it’s something that ruins even the most trivial things. The warnings were meant to prevent any serious harm that could come to the players and I really respect the devs for including it. If you think actual human injury is not a big deal just so you can get your perfect gaming experience, then you can seriously go ♥♥♥♥ yourself you self-centered ass.

[Talithmara]

... yeah, I'm not going to lie. I was trying to be polite, but I pretty much agree with the points Laeradr and P_Sqqp were making, even though I was trying to avoid that confrontational stance. It's just way too easy to look at the "your argument is just going to be that this game will make depressed people kill themselves" thing and your overall desire for no warnings for someone to interpret it as "I don't care if people die so long as I can enjoy myself."

Now, I'm NOT saying this was the INTENT, but it comes ACROSS that way, simply since thinking about it for less than a minute reveals that other ways of tagging it... well, I already addressed that.

[Your Neighbour]

It's in human nature to do the opposite when told

[nyatsumi]

How narrow minded, "It didnt affect me so its not that bad and shouldnt affect anyone". Some wouldnt play this if not for the warnings, some are grateful for them, cant please everyone.

[Vivian]

"Do we really need the warning?"

Yes. Because people are different and just because you weren't affected doesn't mean other people won't be.

/thread

[Cornflakes]

You can correct me if you have evidence I'm wrong, but the warning that's currently on the game is a stronger, more direct version of the warning that was on the release version. The dev received emails and DMs from people telling him that the weakly worded version wasn't sufficient and they had a bad experience with the game, that they would have chosen to not play if they had been given better information. So yes, it does happen, it already happened. My source for this info is Dan's twitter from awhile back.

[Jet Chan]

actually yes we do. People can get severely triggered. I suffer depression In much the same way Sayori does which is why I want to train to be an EMT and while it didnt trigger me like I can imagine others suffering from more severe depression, it can really happen. I finished the game, but there was a certain part involving Yuri in which I was hyperventelating and had to just alt tab for 10 to 15 minutes. I couldn't breathe and it was a result of how uncomfortable the character was making me. I've never experienced anything like it before. I applaud the creators for making something that can hit someone so hard. It definitely NEEDS the tag, and I am glad it's in there.

[cinnamon]

Yes, we do need the warning. I'm midly disturbed by the game.

[L0KisT3r]

I knew the warning. But, but this is too much. I never thought it would be like this.