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Battles! 2022 年 10 月 20 日 下午 7:03
What happened to this game?
Seriously, I don't to hate on the game just because. I actually REALLY like Scorn's world and premise. Heck I was superbly hyped for the game, even though I missed the kickstarter. But seriously, what happened to this game?

-It's as linear as it gets, even though it was promised to be open world.

-It's CRIMINALLY SHORT. Some have beaten the game in under 3 hours, even though they said they'd have merged Parts 1 and 2 into a single game!

-What happened to you being able to shape the world with your choices? That never happens. At best you get to save a creature during Act 1, but it doesn't shape the world. its forgotten about as soon as you finish it.

-The game has NO enviromental story telling. I know they promised that there'd be no hand holding story wise, and that all the game's plot would be told by the world, but there is a difference between the game's world telling the story and there being just NO plot at all. Scorn's the latter. You'd have to have gotten the artbook from (i assume) supporting their kickstarter to understand ANYTHING about the world, since all the expanations are there.

-It also brings me to the Artbook. There's so much cut content there. Not something here and there, but A LOT of cut content. Entire areas were removed...

-They promised inventory management, but there isn't any actual inventory. You have all your guns with you everywhere you go, and you find quite a bit of ammo and health stations sprinkled about.


I really want to know. Just what happened to the game? Did the devs bite more than they could chew? Why is it so short? Is this really all that we're gonna get of Scorn. Agony was already a major disapointment, sucks to see another game end up getting the same fate. What do you guys think about it?
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DuX1112 2022 年 10 月 20 日 下午 7:08 
Wait, wait... it has no environmental storytelling? 😂

You literally have a PARASITE attached to your own body for 70% of the game.

You spray acid on a bunch of long dead corpses to melt the corpses and make way.

You squish demonic babies for fertilization purposes.

You hatch eggs that hatch things that you later decide to butcher or not.

Etc etc etc.

Also you shape the world, you open doors and push stuff... Out of the way, lmao. (All right I concede that one. But you also launch the Big Mommy creature, definitely changing things.)
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 20 日 下午 7:20 
引用自 DuX1112
Wait, wait... it has no environmental storytelling? 😂

You literally have a PARASITE attached to your own body for 70% of the game.

You spray acid on a bunch of long dead corpses to melt the corpses and make way.

You squish demonic babies for fertilization purposes.

You hatch eggs that hatch things that you later decide to butcher or not.

Etc etc etc.

Also you shape the world, you open doors and push stuff... Out of the way, lmao. (All right I concede that one. But you also launch the Big Mommy creature, definitely changing things.)

The game never tells you where you are, what you're doing and why, or what those monsters are and where they came from. Like, why is it important to repair that machine during Act 1? Why was doing that strange ritual at the end important?

I will admit, thinking better at it, the game DOES have enviromental story telling. Like the corpses witht he same umbilical cord around you when you spawn with the next Scorn Guy. And I will admit, having the parasite be both your gun AND your inventory was really clever. But I really don't feel like that's enviromental story telling. It's definitely enviromental world building, and I adore that type of stuff, but it's not telling you the story. To understanding where you are or what you're doing and why, or what happened to the place and why, you'd have to read the artbook.
ZexXx 2022 年 10 月 21 日 上午 12:32 
After a bit of research it does seem like the final product is light years from what they promised to their Kickstarter backers.

It's a great experience for people like me who didn't back the project or, in my case, didn't even know about it until a few weeks ago.

I wish it had more of everything since I do love what I got and I really enjoy the mystery and that not everything is explained.
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 21 日 上午 5:01 
引用自 ZexXx
After a bit of research it does seem like the final product is light years from what they promised to their Kickstarter backers.

It's a great experience for people like me who didn't back the project or, in my case, didn't even know about it until a few weeks ago.

I wish it had more of everything since I do love what I got and I really enjoy the mystery and that not everything is explained.

Right? it's the same for me. I REALLY love what we got and the mystery and the unique world. But it's just....the game still feels like it's incomplete. And it's objectively true that it's nowhere even NEAR what they promised repeatedly in kickstarter posts. I really wonder what happened in the development background, because I have the feeling that, if this game is actually just Part 1, even it feels unfinished.
BuffyFan2001 2022 年 10 月 21 日 上午 7:10 
Long story short: Ebb underestimated the work involved and had to cut almost half the content they planned. That’s why the pacing is so wonky after Act 4 and the length is so short. We got the part 1 they promised but part 2 was cut down to make Act 5. Also, I think they got carried away with designing Acts 3-4 and didn’t have enough time/budget left for the subsequent planned areas.
最后由 BuffyFan2001 编辑于; 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 5:53
vera32_2000 2022 年 10 月 21 日 上午 8:16 
After watching several lets plays and looking through the art book I find, that all they had is concept art and some vague ideas, but sadly they had noone in their team who was able to put it together to some real story. What is offered as a story is really shallow, the rest you can imagine as you wish - you find no proof if you are right or wrong. Lore - 0, untill you make it up.
Just an example for such story-making: As the Forest was in EA the shadow of the protagonist had no head - just a mistake, but as there was no story at the moment, we decided, that actually he died as the plane crashed, and that a body, which was in one of the caves is his - was all false, as you know.
Call Sign: Raven 2022 年 10 月 21 日 上午 8:28 
引用自 DuX1112
Wait, wait... it has no environmental storytelling? 😂

You literally have a PARASITE attached to your own body for 70% of the game.

You spray acid on a bunch of long dead corpses to melt the corpses and make way.

You squish demonic babies for fertilization purposes.

You hatch eggs that hatch things that you later decide to butcher or not.

Etc etc etc.

Also you shape the world, you open doors and push stuff... Out of the way, lmao. (All right I concede that one. But you also launch the Big Mommy creature, definitely changing things.)

Don't listen to Ebb software's shill.
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 3:42 
引用自 vera32_2000
After watching several lets plays and looking through the art book I find, that all they had is concept art and some vague ideas, but sadly they had noone in their team who was able to put it together to some real story. What is offered as a story is really shallow, the rest you can imagine as you wish - you find no proof if you are right or wrong. Lore - 0, untill you make it up.
Just an example for such story-making: As the Forest was in EA the shadow of the protagonist had no head - just a mistake, but as there was no story at the moment, we decided, that actually he died as the plane crashed, and that a body, which was in one of the caves is his - was all false, as you know.

I Noticed that too. The game has LOTS of world building. Like, you get hints of this world and the civilization and culture and all that, but there's zero story (enviromental or outright told) to tie everything together. It's like they mashed together all their ideas and concepts, and forgot that there's supposed to be glue to make sure those parts don't just fall apart
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 3:44 
引用自 BuffyFan2001
Long story short: Ebb underestimated the work involved and had to cut almost half the content they planned. That’s why the pacing is so wonky after Act 4 and the length is so short. We got the part 1 they promised but part 2 was cut down to make Act 5. Also, I think they got carried away with designing Acts 4-5 and didn’t have enough time/budget left for the subsequent planned areas.

That's the same conclusion I'm arriving too. They probably ended up biting more than they could chew, and released an incredibly rushed build of the game so they wouldn't miss the promised release date. But I fear they'll never admit that. Specially with Ebb Software's history of poorly handling criticism from their community.
illgib 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 3:50 
引用自 Battles!
Specially with Ebb Software's history of poorly handling criticism from their community.
What you're talking about? Scorn it's their first game.
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 4:04 
引用自 illgib
引用自 Battles!
Specially with Ebb Software's history of poorly handling criticism from their community.
What you're talking about? Scorn it's their first game.

Yeah, but i'm talking about how they handled criticism from their kickstarter. Ebb Software has a really bad habit of going radio silent for months, sometimes over a year without a single update to the point people thought Scorn had gotten cancelled and they were ghosted. So naturally they started asking more and more and more for updates.

The devs posted on their kickstarter page, basically having a meltdown, bashing and attacking their own community (something along the lines of them being unable to wait and pressuring them and how constant updates goes against the spirit of the game or something like it), which ended up causing a torrent of people demanding refunds.

I still don't get why they did that. They dissapeared for months without a sound, so of course people would start asking for info.
illgib 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 4:33 
引用自 Battles!
引用自 illgib
What you're talking about? Scorn it's their first game.

Yeah, but i'm talking about how they handled criticism from their kickstarter. Ebb Software has a really bad habit of going radio silent for months, sometimes over a year without a single update to the point people thought Scorn had gotten cancelled and they were ghosted. So naturally they started asking more and more and more for updates.

The devs posted on their kickstarter page, basically having a meltdown, bashing and attacking their own community (something along the lines of them being unable to wait and pressuring them and how constant updates goes against the spirit of the game or something like it), which ended up causing a torrent of people demanding refunds.

I still don't get why they did that. They dissapeared for months without a sound, so of course people would start asking for info.
When the studio it's small there's no people dedicated to pr or press, so it's either working on the game or have someone taking brakes to make posts, and it steal developement time.
And when you don't have anything interesting to post, there's no posts.

I for once thought that the game were dead, but it's a game in the end, why press peoples and be mad for news?
Bugg 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 5:01 
It never promised to be open world wtf are you on?
BuffyFan2001 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 6:01 
引用自 Battles!
引用自 illgib
What you're talking about? Scorn it's their first game.

Yeah, but i'm talking about how they handled criticism from their kickstarter. Ebb Software has a really bad habit of going radio silent for months, sometimes over a year without a single update to the point people thought Scorn had gotten cancelled and they were ghosted. So naturally they started asking more and more and more for updates.

The devs posted on their kickstarter page, basically having a meltdown, bashing and attacking their own community (something along the lines of them being unable to wait and pressuring them and how constant updates goes against the spirit of the game or something like it), which ended up causing a torrent of people demanding refunds.

I still don't get why they did that. They dissapeared for months without a sound, so of course people would start asking for info.
Yeah, the meltdown was completely unprofessional. Backers were asking because KS has a shady reputation. It doesn’t offer the same legal protections as actual investors. Countless KSes have run off with the money. Actual investors get quarterly reports and so on. We got nothing for years.

Altho now that I know they cut out half the game, I can understand where that frustration came from. Dev was probably butthurt about compromising their vision under the demands of legally protected investors and took it out on the innocent KS backers. I would’ve been perfectly fine to let them work a few more years if I knew it would result in a complete product.

Ebb should be glad we backers supported them for so long. Unless they finish the game, I’m not supporting their future ventures. Some apologizing would be nice too.
最后由 BuffyFan2001 编辑于; 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 6:02
Battles! 2022 年 10 月 21 日 下午 7:05 
引用自 Bugg
It never promised to be open world wtf are you on?
The steam storefront still says that Scorn is an open-ended game. When it clearly isn't one
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