[SPOILER] Theories about the surgery robot thingy

[Bummer6]

I've seen a lot of theories about the ending of the game, but I'm personally more curious about the surgery robot and that whole section.

I seems like scorn guy knew what it was gonna do at least to some extent. There was no panic or moment of realization as the machine started cutting into him. This is in stark contrast to how we see scorn guy act when he gets his key bracelet thingy for the first time and he clearly panics, not knowing what's happening. It's interesting to see which parts of the world he's familiar with and which parts are entirely new to him.

Another thing is the whole surgery process. I understand the brain surgery, but the stabbing and cutting in scorn guy's abdomen seems entirely unnecessary and a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move if it isn't strictly required. Although judging by the other "husks" connected to the big brain cluster in the ceiling, it seems the abdominal cutting is a common theme among all of them unless I'm misremembering things. I do wonder why though. It's especially weird since the puppet body even goes through the trouble of bringing one of the cutting arms with them to continue cutting scorn guy even while being carried towards the ending. My only theory is that the brain link only works as long as there's a continuous stream of pain signals in the brain for some reason... Other than that I really have no ideas, so I'd love to hear some theories.

Last thing is; why did the puppet slow down towards the end, and why did scorn guy's consciousness return to his own body? Is the brain link like crappy wifi with terrible range? Did we really just move too far away from the brain cluster or is there something else at play here?

[Cozy]

I think he just didn't have any more ♥♥♥♥ left to give after all he went through up to that point, so when it started cutting he was just like "ow."

[teg]

I think you're trying to find meaning where there is none.

I thought maybe scorn guy was effectively sperm moving through the world. Seeing all the other sperm fall by the wayside. The fact the final two borgs we haunt appear pregnant sort of suggests we completed them and moved them forward to birth or something.

Wasps will inject eggs into insects and their progeny will eventually eat their way out. I was wondering if perhaps we were the insect and the parasite was something else's progeny waiting to be born. The purpose of our journey was to bring the parasite to where it belonged.


Then the meaningless ending kicked in and the whole adventure turned out to be pointless.

[Solmangrundy]

Originally posted by teg:

Then the meaningless ending kicked in and the whole adventure turned out to be pointless.

well the Dev's picked a accurate title.

You will get why its called Scorn after playing it, Because you will have scorn for Scorn.

[RadioMars]

It's a referance to religious sacraficial ritual. They are sacraficing flesh. Surgeon husk(yes it's a husk, not a robot) is a referance to Vishnu (as the artbook says). Scorn guy's flesh is "providing material" for more flesh and being sacraficed(disposed of) at the same time.
My assumption about removing the guts is that the bodies can become husks in future.

[Flybye]

It’s all ritualistic. The “boss” fight earned your body to be used for a higher purpose. This looks like some deep Aztec or similiar theme, but I don’t know enough about that to say for sure. So anyone is more than happy to correct me.

[socially ept outcel]

Originally posted by Bummer6:

I understand the brain surgery, but the stabbing and cutting in scorn guy's abdomen seems entirely unnecessary and a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move if it isn't strictly required.

Man(?) strapped to esoteric (alien, unknowable) device having his guts ripped out: "damn, what the heck! This is actually kind of a ♥♥♥♥ move!"

[Yautja]

Ok! Finally something I can answer!

Originally posted by Bummer6:

Another thing is the whole surgery process. I understand the brain surgery, but the stabbing and cutting in scorn guy's abdomen seems entirely unnecessary and a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move if it isn't strictly required. Although judging by the other "husks" connected to the big brain cluster in the ceiling, it seems the abdominal cutting is a common theme among all of them unless I'm misremembering things. I do wonder why though. It's especially weird since the puppet body even goes through the trouble of bringing one of the cutting arms with them to continue cutting scorn guy even while being carried towards the ending. My only theory is that the brain link only works as long as there's a continuous stream of pain signals in the brain for some reason... Other than that I really have no ideas, so I'd love to hear some theories.

Last thing is; why did the puppet slow down towards the end, and why did scorn guy's consciousness return to his own body? Is the brain link like crappy wifi with terrible range? Did we really just move too far away from the brain cluster or is there something else at play here?

Regarding the brain, they have to connect the brain of the creature/person into the network, so no more need of a body in a certain extension, after being able to connect to the network, Scorn Guy #2 can use the Puppets to do what he needs, BUT the arm removed and placed on your Puppet to keep stabbing is to keep you "alive", to know that you still have a body in there, so if anything happens, you can go back, the body need a stimulus, without it, it will die.

On the second part, when the Puppet is attacked before the Parasite attacks Scorn Guy #2, maybe the place had a bad connection with the network because of that portal, so when the Puppet is attacked, it might have lost the connection OR just like some machines in our planet, if there is a suddenly shake, it might "break".

I hope that helps you and that I make some sense of it :)

[Cozy]

Originally posted by Yautja:

Ok! Finally something I can answer!

Originally posted by Bummer6:

Another thing is the whole surgery process. I understand the brain surgery, but the stabbing and cutting in scorn guy's abdomen seems entirely unnecessary and a bit of a ♥♥♥♥ move if it isn't strictly required. Although judging by the other "husks" connected to the big brain cluster in the ceiling, it seems the abdominal cutting is a common theme among all of them unless I'm misremembering things. I do wonder why though. It's especially weird since the puppet body even goes through the trouble of bringing one of the cutting arms with them to continue cutting scorn guy even while being carried towards the ending. My only theory is that the brain link only works as long as there's a continuous stream of pain signals in the brain for some reason... Other than that I really have no ideas, so I'd love to hear some theories.

Last thing is; why did the puppet slow down towards the end, and why did scorn guy's consciousness return to his own body? Is the brain link like crappy wifi with terrible range? Did we really just move too far away from the brain cluster or is there something else at play here?

Regarding the brain, they have to connect the brain of the creature/person into the network, so no more need of a body in a certain extension, after being able to connect to the network, Scorn Guy #2 can use the Puppets to do what he needs, BUT the arm removed and placed on your Puppet to keep stabbing is to keep you "alive", to know that you still have a body in there, so if anything happens, you can go back, the body need a stimulus, without it, it will die.

On the second part, when the Puppet is attacked before the Parasite attacks Scorn Guy #2, maybe the place had a bad connection with the network because of that portal, so when the Puppet is attacked, it might have lost the connection OR just like some machines in our planet, if there is a suddenly shake, it might "break".

I hope that helps you and that I make some sense of it :)

An important thing to note is that both the movement speed and the speed the arm operates on the body slows the closer you get to the portal, so yeah it's most likely either theres som kind of interference or he's losing connection.

I figured that the blade thing was some sort of stimuli thing going on but for the purpose I wasn't quite sure.

[socially ept outcel]

I'll say that while I dislike this game as a whole, I feel like the ending and opening had some amount of care paid to them. The opening area was some sort of factory farm where they grew living lumps of flesh in incubators. The ending area clearly had deliberate imagery, even if I'm not knowledgeable enough to understand it. It's just... the middle section is clearly just a boring FPS with no meaning behind anything.

[Dwarf_Bastard]

The surgeon robot purpose might be to prepare bodies to later become one of the puppets. There are two puppets already in the place, so the protagonist is able to interrupt the procedure and move on. His consciousness is also somewhere between the puppets and his own body at the moment. The stabbing hand might have two purposes: to hurt a body to provide pain necessary to provide a consciousness transfer, and to make a dying body stay consciousness at the same time.

I'm wondering if it's right to say that both protagonists had the same goal to get to the gate when it's obvious that protagonist 2 brought a parasite protagonist 1 to the gate himself after the possession. The gate and surgical equipment are all at the same place. His goal was to cure himself, yet the mutation went too far, and he just didn't make it in time.
The parasite was a predator looking for a prey, and that's probably it. And it was pretty pissed after its surgical removal. It then returned to get the only living body left back. All that mutation liquid just can not stop giving me the Prometheus vibes. The purpose of this liquid might be a fuel. In the beginning of the game you put this liquid containers into the machine and every time you do that something opens. OR it's just for the conditioning purposes, lol. Can't tell why they used this mutating liquid at all, since it's VERY dangerous. 1 mistake and it went all over, mutating everything in its way.

[Dankaar]

Originally posted by cyberun1t:

Can't tell why they used this mutating liquid at all, since it's VERY dangerous. 1 mistake and it went all over, mutating everything in its way.

Might be a catalyst for creating new/alternate humanforms. When used correctly, you get things like the Scorn guys. When it's not used under controlled circumstances, then its a problem.

[gremlinko]

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An important thing to note is that both the movement speed and the speed the arm operates on the body slows the closer you get to the portal, so yeah it's most likely either theres som kind of interference or he's losing connection.

I figured that the blade thing was some sort of stimuli thing going on but for the purpose I wasn't quite sure. [/quote]


I think he lost connection because he was going further from that big brain he was connected to. He started losing connection with this puppet so he kept getting slower. I just dont understand why it kept getting slower because he was connected with cable so disconnecion should be fast. It looked more like losing signal.

[Turambar]

To me is that easy as when he was able to cross the door started to stop cutting to brake in porpuse the link, so he could walk the last steps by himself. But he didn't spect or hoped to not encounter the other mutant guy.

[Stevcorp]

My theory was that the robot was programmed to cut you up, upload you to the brain stack and then dispose of the dead body.

But you program the robot to help you, pick you up and carry you the hell out of dodge. Which it starts doing, but occasionally glitching out and stabbing you.