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I love the idea of defiance too. But who was more defiant, out protagonist, or the parasite? Or... Which of them are we, really, and who was more defiant? (See (2) below).
What do you think about these two theories of mine by the way?
(1)
I think that the entire plot is that this civilization somehow lost the ability to reproduce, hence all the sexual imagery and "Cult of reproduction." This is why their world is barren and hostile, by this point in time, probably, everyone has died, and they're something like 4000 years in the future where a last stand cult of scientists remained at work trying to restore, reincarnate, resurrect life.
In their quest for restoring their reproductive abilities, they started experimenting in a variety of ways, mostly mechanical and scientific. The problem seems to be the implantation of a soul. Most experiments seemed to produce drone-like creatures or manikins that die shortly after being "born." (Hence the huge amounts of smaller but dead bodies). Additionally, the small angry babies that you implant in the robot thing are also another failed experiment (they were basically evil homunculi). The huge "mother" creature is also one more experiment, perhaps they thought if they built a huge mother beast that it will cause offspring or produce eggs on its own... Or with the aid of machinery inside it (ugh).
They also attempted to harness the ability of parasites for the purposes of reproduction, which is what caused the entire catastrophe. Hypothetically, they DID find a process to implant a soul inside a body, which, I think, the ritual at the end was supposed to achieve. You get butchered and carried towards a portal of light of some sort, BUT, the parasite attacks at the last moment and prevents you from being "born again."
Also, as to WHY the facility is so LARGE...
Here's the thing.
It's AI made. Like AI art. The creators gave it some initial parameters, they went extinct, and from then on the entire facility was guided by an AI algorithm that kept experimenting and testing different methods of life creation, and it 3D printed whatever it felt necessary. Convoluted catacomb-like hive-structures deep underground? Sure why not. The AI doesn't care about the aesthetics or the navigation of ordinary human minds, it's going to build whatever it needs building.
Add to this that this machinery is also partially biological and organic, so the ancient AI is of course instructing matter, or its cells, to build wood-like materials over here, metallic structures over there, and organic tissues over here etc. It's basically computing, coming up with a test plan, then it 3D builds the entire thing on both cellular and mechanical levels, and then it runs its experiments.
9000 bodies that died 5 seconds after birth?
No problem.
Introduce a new variable.
Try again.
Bodies clogging the output channel?
Add acid organic decomposition sprinklers to clear the debris.
Try again.
The egg hypothesis from Act 1 produces deformed snail-like humanoids?
They're not viable, scrape and dispose of by the scooping mechanism.
Etc.
Basically the entire project is now led by an AI, and the enemies we encounter are its immune system cells to to speak, like white blood cells roaming around trying to clear potential foreign bodies (you).
Clearly by the way it was clogged in many areas, lots of problems. The immune system was undergoing inflammation or the AI was getting bugged etc. If it worked tirelessly for millennia, it makes sense that it would be causing dead ends and bottlenecks.
(2)
And at the end you actually WON because you saved yourself by jumping on the second Scorn Guy?
Because as another thread said, the main menu screen shows the parasite's face actually. The same face that gets removed by the machine later. And you START as this creature, which then becomes a parasite, and then in Act 3 it jumps on the player, and then they merge, and they get separated again in Act 5... Right before the end where the parasite - YOU, the FIRST PLAYER - jumps back on you, the second player? Right before the ritual?
What if you're actually preventing something evil from happening? After all they massacred Player 2 in that creepy ritual. Why even go along with that? Are you the life force, represented in the parasite all the time? Or perhaps a symbiont?
ALSO notice how you lose power and vitality and energy once you remove the "parasite" from your back. Shouldn't a host RECOVER vitality upon removing a parasite? Why did our character feel almost dead after it?
And consider that by the end we were almost incapable of solving puzzles and completing the ritual BECAUSE of the parasite STOPPING us. Turning our hands into uncouthy wood? Notice that the "parasite" (YOU) always became more aggressive as you (the second character) MADE PROGRESS in your mysterious quest? Why would that be? Why would the "parasite" stab you in your stomach and grow ever more constricting the more you "progressed" in this facility and this "ritual"?
Just WHAT were you actually trying to accomplish?
And just WHY did the "parasite" STOP you right at the end?
Was the parasite the REAL YOU, THE ORIGINAL YOU, all along?
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Any discussion appreciated!
And yes, I agree that the first protagonist is very important. Actually, he (or she? unclear) was already a parasite-hybrid. So, to be technically accurate, the final entity is 3/4th humanish, 1/4th parasite.
I don't think the parasite is "evil" while the singularity is "good". Both are post-moral creatures who care only about survival and reproduction, not individual welfare. But somehow both our protagonists -- and possibly the first more than the second -- care about their own personal survival. That is sacrilegious to the singularity and anathema to the parasite. It's a defiant stance against both collective entities.
The word "scorn" means contempt. Both the singularity and the parasite despise their individual life forms. And our protagonists, in return, despise the horrific fate that was chosen for them. The last act was not merely defiant, it was defiantly about their own freedom and individuality, to stay at the threshold as themselves and not join into a collective consciousness of any sort, even at the cost of lonely immobility and stasis. Better to be free than to be a cog in a machine.
seeing as how you start off with no cancer. get cancered up by a cancer monster. continuously develop cancer all over your body. cut it out. and then die because the cancer came back and end up as a tumorous blob.
cancer was all over the walls. cancer was spilling out into the land scape outside the buildings. the monsters were cancer. this game gave me cancer.
Your interpretation is valid. For what it's worth, the Scorn art book calls it a "parasite" 26 times. There are only two mentions there of the word "cancerous", once to describe certain growths in the Tower (an area that was cut from the game), and the other as an analogy for the parasite.
What if the parasite isn't... a parasite as such but normal biological life that almost got wiped out by this civilization with their biotechnology? And the last remnants of biological life adapted and evolved and it can only prey on these "Womb Wall" humanoids for food, energy and sustenance?
Looking at it from that angle, the parasite succumbing you in the end is a win for nature, biology, evolution. The biotech human civilization ran itself in the ground, contaminated the planet to an almost total degree, and reduced itself to a room of neural neural network human consciousness in Polis. But life... Life finds a way.
Basically, the Scorn civilization got defeated.
Many people have compared humanity, even in our current state of evolution, to a cancer on the body of the world. I'm sure most animals living today would agree...
I think, though, that in Scorn the metaphor is fairly clear: the parasite is growing inside the structures created by the singularity, so it is more easily understood as a cancerous tumor inside an existing body. Again, I'll mention that the digital art book clearly calls it a "parasite", which is different from a tumor. A parasite is an independent form of life that needs to feed.
See my original post -- I think the singularity cares about far more than just functionality. It has a strong religious and aesthetic attachment to sex as the act that keeps it going. Sex is sacred to it. That's why it constructed the machine as a temple.
To me it makes everything even more horrifying. This is not just a machine that processes people, it's a machine that finds deep significance, even beauty, in torture and pain. Rather than just dump flesh into a tube and get it over with quickly, it seems to sadistically relish the act.
My interpretation of the final "ceremony" was that the combination of torturous pain, sexual pleasure and placing the subject into a near-death state is all stimuli provided in the service of flooding the subject's brain with chemicals, opening their mind so that they can ascend to this higher plane of existence -- an act which the whole civilization seems to revolve totally around
Sort of like a really extreme form of autoerotic asphyxiation with a metaphysical climax
Yes! But it looks like the vast majority do not get to ascend, instead toil as slaves, warrior drones, or are used for fuel. It doesn't look like hallucinogens are wasted on them. On the contrary, sadism seems to be the point.
By the way, that final ceremony has another aspect: bodily transformation. We see a few statues reminiscent of a Cthulhu-like being and also human forms with their skin and organs spread out to resemble that Cthulhu-like being, a bit like a Viking "blood eagle" torture ritual. So this was not just an evolution of consciousness, but also a physical one. Or perhaps one was a ritual aspect of the other.
Or perhaps it was all aspirational, a desire of the singularity to ascend to a next evolutionary stage beyond the human. But it couldn't go further, exactly because it lost that spark of individual value on a genetic as well as a personal level, that which makes sexual reproduction such a driving force of biological evolution. Instead, a singularity is a static end point, not a place from which you can move forward.
It's a temple of wishes that cannot be fulfilled. A tomb of what could have been but was not.
This.