Whats the point of vigor/resists?

[xtk]

I have max resistance to all elements and 1100 armor and I'm still getting one shot by a mini bosses lightning bolt with 3600 health on nightmare mode.

[Fugs]

The game becomes an unbalanced mess in nightmare. I'm level 52 and ever since entering nightmare I've had to avoid all melee combat and exploit the enemy AI so they can't hit me.

[Ferinzz]

Make sure you aren't underleveled, make sure you have the appropriate tier of armor. Look for some %armor stats. I like the ring of defense.

I think 1100 might be a bit low? I'll need to check what I have later...

The lasers are usually a bit op though...

[HouseOfTheRat]

Resistances are your chance to resist status effects, armor is what reduces damage. The point of vigor is to keep you alive!

1100 armor definitely seems low for nightmare. 3600 health seems low too, depending on your level. Also make sure that the monsters you are fighting are not much higher level than you. You can dig as deep as you want at any time, but the deeper you go the higher level monsters you find.

If you craft the latest armor and slot one or two defensive crystals you should be fine. At nightmare and higher you can get a good chunk of resists and additional bonuses from crafted magic armor, leaving you more room for adjustment with crystals. If you have built a complete glass cannon in normal, nightmare can be a bit of a rude awakening! I think it is common to start characters with all-out offensive stats (feels good!) but you need to think more about survivability at higher levels.

[KaossoaK]

My character is level 30 and has about 1k armor. I would say your armor is too low.

[Poma]

I'm on level 48 and have 12k health, 2.5k armor, and 170 (100%) in all resist. Playing full melee warrior, and relying on life leech heavily (roughly equals to 40% damage dealt currently, around 5.5k damage with double swords). This is counting buffs that I have constantly on. Currently somewhere in the middle of Nightmare and it's not very hard, basically facerolling on keyboard and it works.

[xtk]

Originally posted by Poma:

I'm on level 48 and have 12k health, 2.5k armor, and 170 (100%) in all resist. Playing full melee warrior, and relying on life leech heavily (roughly equals to 40% damage dealt currently, around 5.5k damage with double swords). This is counting buffs that I have constantly on. Currently somewhere in the middle of Nightmare and it's not very hard, basically facerolling on keyboard and it works.

Originally posted by KaossoaK:

My character is level 30 and has about 1k armor. I would say your armor is too low.

This thread isn't an open invitation for humble bragging, this thread is about why resists don't seem to actually do anything.

[HouseOfTheRat]

Resists work fine and they are super useful to keep you alive, but without health and armor you will die anyway.

The replies you quoted aren't humble bragging, like the previous replies they are explaining to you that your defensive stats are low and that you should look into your gear and adjust it for more survivability.

[xtk]

Originally posted by Happykill:

Resists work fine and they are super useful to keep you alive, but without health and armor you will die anyway.

The replies you quoted aren't humble bragging, like the previous replies they are explaining to you that your defensive stats are low and that you should look into your gear and adjust it for more survivability.

Resists literally don't work because I unequipped my resists in exchange for armor and I had much better survivability. I was able to defeat IT on nightmare difficulty at level 59 after replacing my resist gems/gear with pure armor.

[HouseOfTheRat]

So you are saying that you had way too high (over the cap) resist ratings and way too low armor like everyone was trying to tell you, and you did exactly what we told you to do and got much better survivability as a result. Awesome!

[xtk]

Originally posted by Happykill:

So you are saying that you had way too high (over the cap) resist ratings and way too low armor like everyone was trying to tell you, and you did exactly what we told you to do and got much better survivability as a result. Awesome!

No, what I'm saying is that I faced the final boss with 12% resists just from stat points I put into vigor and had no vigor or resists from gear, just stacked armor, and I had much better survivability than I had with 100% resists and less armor. There is no point in investing in resists, just stack armor.

[HouseOfTheRat]

Yes, you stacked armor like everyone was telling you to. If you keep playing with 12% resists you will soon realize how dangerous status effects can be. Don't judge the entire game from a single boss encounter. Unless of course you prefer to play this way - that is entirely up to you and the point of the game is to build your own character however you want it! But no health and armor = dead when anything hits you.

[xtk]

Reverse fate makes status effects irrelevant.

[HouseOfTheRat]

If you are willing to give up an ancient slot to get (at max rank, which takes a lot of time to get there) half the protection that resist ratings can give you, then obviously you understand the importance of status effects very very well :)

With that said, resists are more reliable than Reverse Fate and at higher difficulties - more monsters - more spike damage that matters more. You also get more resists from crafted armor, so giving up that slot for RF becomes less attractive the more you level up - both because of the opportunity cost of having it equipped and because of its diminishing returns as you have higher resistances. The opportunity cost is a lot more significant now with multiclassing, too.

Some classes have skills that simply remove status effects instantly, they still want resists because the cooldowns might be more useful in worse emergencies. But really once you can keep yourself alive everything else is a build matter - if you are having fun with the game, your build works perfectly!

[Poma]

Originally posted by xtk:

Resists literally don't work because I unequipped my resists in exchange for armor and I had much better survivability. I was able to defeat IT on nightmare difficulty at level 59 after replacing my resist gems/gear with pure armor.

You're supposed to have *both* resist and high armor&health. But if you want to choose only one than of course armor+health is better. With stats mentioned above I've still died a few times to minibosses when I forgot to turn on resist buff and my resists dipped below 100%. When I stand on top of group of dangerous monsters and suddenly some slime freezes me it causes the loss of life leech momentum which is critical for survival. I think resists are very important. And for some reason bosses in this game are weaker than most minibosses with their minions, I very rarely die to big bosses.

[KaossoaK]

Originally posted by xtk:

Originally posted by Poma:

I'm on level 48 and have 12k health, 2.5k armor, and 170 (100%) in all resist. Playing full melee warrior, and relying on life leech heavily (roughly equals to 40% damage dealt currently, around 5.5k damage with double swords). This is counting buffs that I have constantly on. Currently somewhere in the middle of Nightmare and it's not very hard, basically facerolling on keyboard and it works.

Originally posted by KaossoaK:

My character is level 30 and has about 1k armor. I would say your armor is too low.

This thread isn't an open invitation for humble bragging, this thread is about why resists don't seem to actually do anything.

That was not bragging. That was pointing out that if my armor is 1k at lvl 30, your armor is too low. I have not even focused on armor. That is just what I have.

IMO, resists look close to worthless.