How long is this game?

[Farsa]

Don't want to sound cheap but it's a steep price for an indie. Does the price reflects the longevity of gameplay or nay?

also: ultrawide support?

[K-Man]

I'm hesitant for the same reason. All the folks leaving reviews say great things about the story, but have less than 10 hours played (except for a handful). I am hoping for an experience like Sable that would keep me occupied for at least a week, but that just doesn't seem like the case. It might be worth waiting for a better sale price, or maybe even finishing the game before the refund period.

[Farsa]

Originally posted by TheSmokeMan:

I'm hesitant for the same reason. All the folks leaving reviews say great things about the story, but have less than 10 hours played (except for a handful). I am hoping for an experience like Sable that would keep me occupied for at least a week, but that just doesn't seem like the case. It might be worth waiting for a better sale price, or maybe even finishing the game before the refund period.

It's pretty badly optimized, so I guess it's something like sable. It's a shame too 'cause I really liked the game, doesn't seem to be so short either!

[Ari]

Originally posted by Oak:

Don't want to sound cheap but it's a steep price for an indie. Does the price reflects the longevity of gameplay or nay?

also: ultrawide support?

It's actually cheaper than I expected it to be. No complaints for me price wise.

[farinelli1800]

Originally posted by Oak:

Originally posted by TheSmokeMan:

I'm hesitant for the same reason. All the folks leaving reviews say great things about the story, but have less than 10 hours played (except for a handful). I am hoping for an experience like Sable that would keep me occupied for at least a week, but that just doesn't seem like the case. It might be worth waiting for a better sale price, or maybe even finishing the game before the refund period.

It's pretty badly optimized, so I guess it's something like sable. It's a shame too 'cause I really liked the game, doesn't seem to be so short either!

where is this game badly optimized????

[Ari]

Originally posted by farinelli1800:

Originally posted by Oak:

It's pretty badly optimized, so I guess it's something like sable. It's a shame too 'cause I really liked the game, doesn't seem to be so short either!

where is this game badly optimized????

Also, "steep price for an indie"? What is with this dumb trend of expecting indie games to sell games for really cheap?

I'll happily pay a fair amount for a GOOD indie game, even if it's short, than a boring 50+ hour game from a big studio.

[kgkong]

The dev specified length to complete the game is approximiate 6 to 12 hours. I'll tell you this, if you take your time to enjoy the atmosphere the game also provides, make more thorough use of the recorder and the camera in the game, you can easily get a single playthrough taking over 20 hours. I'm about 5 hours in and I'm hardly past the second the area and I'm no where near half done this game.

[Farsa]

Originally posted by ✿ Ari ✿:

Originally posted by farinelli1800:

where is this game badly optimized????

Also, "steep price for an indie"? What is with this dumb trend of expecting indie games to sell games for really cheap?

I'll happily pay a fair amount for a GOOD indie game, even if it's short, than a boring 50+ hour game from a big studio.

You'd naturally pay less for a shirt that would last you a single year, than one that would last 10. A game with 30, 40+ hours of content will naturally cost more than one with just 10 hours.

No need to get your panties all in a bunch and start throwing a fit and calling people dumb. You do what you want with your money and let others do the same as well. Jesus Christ...

[Farsa]

Originally posted by farinelli1800:

Originally posted by Oak:

It's pretty badly optimized, so I guess it's something like sable. It's a shame too 'cause I really liked the game, doesn't seem to be so short either!

where is this game badly optimized????

Shader compilation issues, framerate is all over the place, DLSS implementation is very bad. The game needs several QOL changes like having an ACTUAL settings menu.

[Farsa]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

The dev specified length to complete the game is approximiate 6 to 12 hours. I'll tell you this, if you take your time to enjoy the atmosphere the game also provides, make more thorough use of the recorder and the camera in the game, you can easily get a single playthrough taking over 20 hours. I'm about 5 hours in and I'm hardly past the second the area and I'm no where near half done this game.

Yep, I agree. It's a good bang for my buck. But I've refunded due to bad optimization. Hope it gets better with future patches.

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Oak:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

The dev specified length to complete the game is approximiate 6 to 12 hours. I'll tell you this, if you take your time to enjoy the atmosphere the game also provides, make more thorough use of the recorder and the camera in the game, you can easily get a single playthrough taking over 20 hours. I'm about 5 hours in and I'm hardly past the second the area and I'm no where near half done this game.

Yep, I agree. It's a good bang for my buck. But I've refunded due to bad optimization. Hope it gets better with future patches.

Oh?
What hardware do you have?

[Farsa]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Oak:

Yep, I agree. It's a good bang for my buck. But I've refunded due to bad optimization. Hope it gets better with future patches.

Oh?
What hardware do you have?

MB - Asus ROG Maximus XII Extreme
CPU - i9-10900k
Cooler - Noctua Nh-D15
GPU - RTX 3080
RAM - 2x 16gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz / 2x 32gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz (96gb total)
PSU - Corsair HX1200i
Display - Ultrawide LG g-sync monitor (2560x1080px)

[kgkong]

Originally posted by Oak:

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Oh?
What hardware do you have?

MB - Asus ROG Maximus XII Extreme
CPU - i9-10900k
Cooler - Noctua Nh-D15
GPU - RTX 3080
RAM - 2x 16gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz / 2x 32gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz (96gb total)
PSU - Corsair HX1200i
Display - Ultrawide LG g-sync monitor (2560x1080px)

I'd be curious to know your nVidia Control Panel 3D Application Settings. You should not have had any performance issues with Season in the slightest.

Maybe your GPU or CPU is throttling or not reaching maximum power draw for the workload so you're having reduced performance as a result. You also have way more RAM than you need, either of the two pairings should be fine. But do you have XMP enabled on your RAM? What temps do CPU and GPU get to? (Get HWMonitor made by the guys who make CPU-Z, and you can use that to check your hot spot temps and highest power draw for your CPU and GPU)

[Farsa]

Originally posted by KingGorillaKong:

Originally posted by Oak:

MB - Asus ROG Maximus XII Extreme
CPU - i9-10900k
Cooler - Noctua Nh-D15
GPU - RTX 3080
RAM - 2x 16gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz / 2x 32gb Corsair Vengeance 3000mhz (96gb total)
PSU - Corsair HX1200i
Display - Ultrawide LG g-sync monitor (2560x1080px)

I'd be curious to know your nVidia Control Panel 3D Application Settings. You should not have had any performance issues with Season in the slightest.

Maybe your GPU or CPU is throttling or not reaching maximum power draw for the workload so you're having reduced performance as a result. You also have way more RAM than you need, either of the two pairings should be fine. But do you have XMP enabled on your RAM? What temps do CPU and GPU get to? (Get HWMonitor made by the guys who make CPU-Z, and you can use that to check your hot spot temps and highest power draw for your CPU and GPU)

Thanks for taking an interest!

-No changes to NCP (all global settings), except I lock my max fps at 120 (My monitor is 144hz but I don't need 144 frames). G-sync enabled, V-sync disabled (in-game).

-XMP is enabled. Also, the i9-109000k is known to be a pretty hot boy, so for it to withstand the tropical summers of Brazil (where I live) without losing performance, I had to undervolt it while slightly overclocking its frequency.

And before you say this is the cause of my troubles, I can play games like:
God of War / Uncharted 4 / The Division 2 at ultra settings/120fps/DLSS OFF without even a hitch.
Control on ultra/high settings/ FULL RTX at 90~100 fps with stable frame rate.
RDR2 / Death Stranding runs at high/ultra DLSS OFF between 80~120fps with very stable frame rates.
All this with CPU temps staying around 70~75C (spikes of 80~85C) and GPU temps never even going beyond 80C and staying in the lower 70's when stressed but mostly 60~65.

-HWmonitor has been my close friend for years now : )

Season doesn't run extremely bad for me, it's not Sable or anything. But for what it is, it should run flawlessly just like way more demanding games do on my machine.

Like I said in my review, this is a PC game now, and as such, it should have an actual settings menu. Would go a long way in letting people combat a plethora of performance issues themselves while we wait for possible performance and QOL patches.

[kgkong]

There's a thing about graphics that look like this. There's a lot of ways to do it, but to properly pull it off, it's actually a lot more hardware intensive than you think. In terms of this stylized artstyle, Season seems to be the most optimized game. It's processing and post processing that allows for these visual FX which these take more hardware to do than the standard general lighting and global illumination you would otherwise normally see (such as in all the games you've listed). Now each those games also have their own post processing they do, but it's nominal stuff like color balance, color correction, gain and noise, etc, all stuff that can be added into any game without usually more than 1-2fps at most in cost to performance using things like ReShade or lightweight ENB. But the FX that makes the game so cartoon/cell-shaded, drawn etc, these actually take more processing power.

What FPS were you getting in Season? Cause I have a 5800X CPU and RTX 3060 and get 220-240 fps uncapped playing. My lows are 120 fps. (All on a 4k resolution)

[farinelli1800]

Originally posted by ✿ Ari ✿:

Originally posted by farinelli1800:

where is this game badly optimized????

Also, "steep price for an indie"? What is with this dumb trend of expecting indie games to sell games for really cheap?

I'll happily pay a fair amount for a GOOD indie game, even if it's short, than a boring 50+ hour game from a big studio.

These sayings annoy me a lot too. An indie developer does the same job with a game as an AAA studio, only under even heavier conditions. Anyway, lately I've noticed that indie developers in particular usually put a lot more effort and love into their game than many AAA developers do. And I wouldn't hesitate to pay 50 euros for such an amazing game as Season. A price I've spent on many AAA games lately and then regretted it. Always professional in presentation but mostly soulless and lacking in depth. And THAT is NOT worth the money to me. The price I'm willing to pay for a game doesn't depend on whether it's indie or AAA game, but on what's on offer and whether it meets my requirements for a nice gaming experience. And a game like Season is still cheap for me.