What is takedown

[MobyPhallus]

On the Fury ability it says for every 'takedown' generate some fury... what the hell is a 'takedown'????

Is it just simply killing an enemy?

[Derpykat5]

A takedown is just killing any enemy.

[MobyPhallus]

Then why wouldn't they just say that instead lol

[Derpykat5]

They must have a reason, though I wouldn't know what it is.

[Tomos]

Originally posted by Derpykat5:

They must have a reason, though I wouldn't know what it is.

Likely because if the game had an ESRB rating it would be E for Everyone, and Takedown is more appropriate than Kill for kids. The game overall uses kid friendly aesthetics and language.

[Yun and the Yuns]

Originally posted by Tomos:

Originally posted by Derpykat5:

They must have a reason, though I wouldn't know what it is.

Likely because if the game had an ESRB rating it would be E for Everyone, and Takedown is more appropriate than Kill for kids. The game overall uses kid friendly aesthetics and language.

This ^

And also because "killing an enemy" is longer to write than "takedown".

And also because at some point, applying a melee attack to a boss was considered a takedown and we wanted to sum it all up by one word for simplicity's sake (but that mechanic was removed afterwards).

In the end, for clarity's sake, I understand that it might not be intuitive for everyone instantly, but that was a cost we were willing to pay to decrease perks' text cluttering.

[Snus]

Originally posted by Yun and the Yuns:

Originally posted by Tomos:

Likely because if the game had an ESRB rating it would be E for Everyone, and Takedown is more appropriate than Kill for kids. The game overall uses kid friendly aesthetics and language.

This ^

And also because "killing an enemy" is longer to write than "takedown".

And "kill" is shorter than "takedown". Hades has that word and has a Teen rating which would be fine for Roboquest too.

You created one of the hardest roguelite shooters out there, but are concerned about wording that might not be inappropriate for kids, am I getting that correctly?

[pi73r]

Yea, a simple "kill" would kill all the text cluttering but getting ESRB lower for sales is always welcome I guess.

[Snus]

Originally posted by pi73r:

Yea, a simple "kill" would kill all the text cluttering but getting ESRB lower for sales is always welcome I guess.

Nice pun!

But seriously, such a lame excuse from the developers. I am 40 yo, have been playing games since around 1989, have masters in mathematics, have been working in gamedev for 20 years, and I struggle to understand how some of the game mechanics work, and how different modifiers affect each other and the final damage.

But yes, let's replace kill with a takedown so the game is kids friendly. I will go try to git gud, I guess.

[Yun and the Yuns]

We purposely avoided any mention of kills/blood etc. indeed. Not only for the rating but also because we liked the idea of having a "friendly" shooter (as friendly as it can be).

When it comes to conveying information about mechanics, I feel like you are correct that some aren't as explicit as they could be.

However "takedown" was never part of that conversation so far.

[Snus]

I don't have any issues with using "takedown". I am saying that the game is pretty hard (even on easy) and has so many damage modifiers and mechanics, and that's the main reason it's hardly suited for kids.

Though you have sales statistics and player performance data, so I might be wrong.

[Tomos]

Originally posted by Snus:

I don't have any issues with using "takedown". I am saying that the game is pretty hard (even on easy) and has so many damage modifiers and mechanics, and that's the main reason it's hardly suited for kids.

Though you have sales statistics and player performance data, so I might be wrong.

I agree, the game is kid friendly, but definitely not designed for kids in terms of difficulty, mechanical complexity, and reading level required.

[Virgil]

Not sure why people are underestimating kids in this thread as they clearly show time again a capacity to learn and master games. This is especially the case with the newer generations.

There are already so many dark, gritty, and/or edgy shooters out there that the cheerful and whimsical atmosphere makes the game stand out.

[pi73r]

Originally posted by Virgil:

Not sure why people are underestimating kids in this thread as they clearly show time again a capacity to learn and master games. This is especially the case with the newer generations.

There are already so many dark, gritty, and/or edgy shooters out there that the cheerful and whimsical atmosphere makes the game stand out.

While there are smarter kids etc. they will always be way below their top brain capacity when they are 8-10 years old.

[Mang]

Originally posted by Yun and the Yuns:

We purposely avoided any mention of kills/blood etc. indeed. Not only for the rating but also because we liked the idea of having a "friendly" shooter (as friendly as it can be).

So if you just had one instance of the word "kill" in this game, it would have instantly turned into a Teen or Mature rating? That is wild if true

[Tomos]

Originally posted by Mang:

Originally posted by Yun and the Yuns:

We purposely avoided any mention of kills/blood etc. indeed. Not only for the rating but also because we liked the idea of having a "friendly" shooter (as friendly as it can be).

So if you just had one instance of the word "kill" in this game, it would have instantly turned into a Teen or Mature rating? That is wild if true :lunar2019crylaughingpig:

The ratings systems can be quite specific and with hard drawn lines. A single swear bumps your rating. If I recall correctly there was a Transformers animated movie that would have been G rated because all of the violence was robot on robot, so they added a Damn in the middle and got a PG or PG13, so it wouldn't be seen as a 'kiddie' movie.

Blood, drug use, and swearing are the usual things that get you an instant T or M rating. And why there was a generally low quality to M rated games that made use of them to get an M rating and attract a rebellious Teen audience. Plenty of exceptions though of course.